Superblue wrote:

So where does Boris’s extra £350 million quid a week Brexit bonus for the NHS come into it, and whose getting that then?

It's already been spent on dodgy PPE and lining the pockets of "friends" of the cabinet.
According to Boris all of the information regarding the contracts doled out to Tory friends and family have been made public (which is required by law within 30 days) but, once again, Boris hasn't quite been telling the truth as there are a huge number that STILL haven't been made public

I agree awarding PPE contracts to mates looks terrible - even if they did locate the PPE needed

As for track and trace - its a national disgrace

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I agree awarding PPE contracts to mates looks terrible - even if they did locate the PPE needed

As for track and trace - its a national disgrace

The point with the PPE is that many of those companies failed to source and provide PPE, despite having been paid HUGE amounts of cash to do so and some of these deals STILL remain hidden form public scrutiny.

Has there ever been a time where blatant payments to friends and family have been so frequent.
Talk about the new normal and there is no shame whatsoever.

We could add the £43m that a Tory donor saved by the Tory minister at the expense of local government.
The pandemic will end and then the cover it provided will disappear and the governments many failures will be investigated but maybe not by the Sun or Express.

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

You really think the NHS has performed magnificently - really. I think it has been an absolute disgrace. It from a function treating many and various illnesses/conditions to treating just one. What happens to all those cancer sufferers who die because they couldn't get treated all those patients who need routine surgery to improve their life e.g. cataracts, knee replacement.

No doubt those at the sharp end of ICU have performed the day job but they are few and far between - the volumes through the NHS in the last year are approx. 20% of normal - why do the vast majority of staff deserve a significant pay increase?

This pandemic demonstrated how poor the NHS is run and how wasteful it is. I thought it was the job of the NHS to protect us not us to protect the NHS?

I think you're getting confused between the staff who work in the NHS and the privileged Tory politicians who have routinely underfunded it.

silver2 wrote:

I think you're getting confused between the staff who work in the NHS and the privileged Tory politicians who have routinely underfunded it.

I don't think I am - you could put the whole GDP of this country into the NHS and it still wouldn't be sufficient. Where do you stop - what is the correct funding level?

Was the underfunding the route course of all these people getting Covid in hospital or a lack of simple cleanliness? It certainly wasn't due to a lack of staff or products as a big chunk of the staff weren't actually working.

The NHS proved it couldn't function when the pressure ramped up it became the National Covid Service and it didn't do a great job of that - highest death rate in Europe, highest death rate per million population in the world. Who sent all the infected pensioners back to care homes etc. etc.

The service needs a massive overhaul and as a population we need to decide what we actually want from a health service?

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

We could add the £43m that a Tory donor saved by the Tory minister at the expense of local government.
The pandemic will end and then the cover it provided will disappear and the governments many failures will be investigated but maybe not by the Sun or Express.

He simply wouldn't have gone ahead with the property if the charge remained in place - so do you want to provide jobs for many years or funds that yet another Labour council can blow on the many and various woke projects it engages in.

[Mild Rover]

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I don't think I am - you could put the whole GDP of this country into the NHS and it still wouldn't be sufficient. Where do you stop - what is the correct funding level?

Was the underfunding the route course of all these people getting Covid in hospital or a lack of simple cleanliness? It certainly wasn't due to a lack of staff or products as a big chunk of the staff weren't actually working.

The NHS proved it couldn't function when the pressure ramped up it became the National Covid Service and it didn't do a great job of that - highest death rate in Europe, highest death rate per million population in the world. Who sent all the infected pensioners back to care homes etc. etc.

The service needs a massive overhaul and as a population we need to decide what we actually want from a health service?

Compared to other G7 countries our proportion of GDP spent on healthcare is quite low and actually fell between 2013 and 2017 (most recent figures I found). With an ageing population, I doubt continuing to spend less, as a % of GDP, is sustainable.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2019-08-29

I agree that some sort of national conversation about provision of healthcare would be valuable. However, the difficulty from my perspective is who would be framing it. There is no point engaging seriously with people you don’t trust, you just have to do what you can to resist.

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

He simply wouldn't have gone ahead with the property if the charge remained in place - so do you want to provide jobs for many years or funds that yet another Labour council can blow on the many and various woke projects it engages in.

What projects like building a new media facility, redecorating number 11 or building a bunker underground for those Photo opportunities by a tax payer funded photographer.
I guess you could add to the list the money wasted on buying PPE from favoured Tory friends or ignoring advice and developing a very expensive but failed Track and Trace app. The problem is our PM is good at wasting taxpayers money with his pet projects like the garden bridge and water cannons. He is especially good at lying and much like his mate Trump never admitting it.