Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:57 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

The vouchers were returned unused as the D of E was “unable” to distribute them.

You need to look at the articles that followed the press release you are looking at from June 2020

It is no different to the government in may announcing laptops for every school then 3 months later reducing the numbers offered by 2/3rds

Ok,so just for clarity, the offer wasn't turned down, it was unable to be implemented.
Does anyone know why it wasn't implemented,ive read a few things regarding data protection been the problem.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:00 pm  

Mike1970 wrote:

They’ll want free Sky next. Also, have they never heard of books?

Do you think there will be enough book to go round, kids had to share them in the "good times", never mind when to country is on its booty.
Also, remember the cuts to education (in real terms) over the last 10+ years ??

Working from home and home schooling is great if you have space, hardware, wifi AND parents who have the ability and time to be "teacher".
The better off can do pretty well but, those at the bottom of the pile, with parents that dont give a damn, will struggle like hell and that's when they are already massively disadvantaged.
Sure, some parents should take a heap of the blame for how they live their lives but, just as with the free school meals, it's not the fault of the kids that they were born with mickey poor parents.
Mind you, some of the poor are busting a gut to improve their lot so, it's not all black and white but, the choice is to try and help or leave them to drop even further down the social pecking order.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:11 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Do you think there will be enough book to go round, kids had to share them in the "good times", never mind when to country is on its booty.
Also, remember the cuts to education (in real terms) over the last 10+ years ??

Working from home and home schooling is great if you have space, hardware, wifi AND parents who have the ability and time to be "teacher".
The better off can do pretty well but, those at the bottom of the pile, with parents that dont give a damn, will struggle like hell and that's when they are already massively disadvantaged.
Sure, some parents should take a heap of the blame for how they live their lives but, just as with the free school meals, it's not the fault of the kids that they were born with mickey poor parents.
Mind you, some of the poor are busting a gut to improve their lot so, it's not all black and white but, the choice is to try and help or leave them to drop even further down the social pecking order.

Maybe it’s about time society forced parents to take some responsibility then.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:29 pm  

Mike1970 wrote:

Maybe it’s about time society forced parents to take some responsibility then.

Maybe, but it's not the kids faults they were lumbered with feckless parents.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:37 pm  

WestEndThinker wrote:

the internet, a right?

it isn't snowing where I live, but there are plenty of flakes online

Says the biggest snowflake around here.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:41 pm  

Mike1970 wrote:

Maybe it’s about time society forced parents to take some responsibility then.

That's that kind of stuff that they print in "The Mail"

Some parents just aren't up to the job and then the question is, do you and should you allow their kids to be as "bad" or, should you try and do something the break the cycle.

If you can invest in these kids and help them improve their lot, it actually helps everyone.

Sure, in an ideal world, it shouldn't be neccessary but, the sad fact is that some need a lot more help than others.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:32 pm  

Mike1970 wrote:

Maybe it’s about time society forced parents to take some responsibility then.

What like all the parents who are working full time and don’t earn enough to live on who then claim benefits

Or the single mother’s who were left by feckless fathers

Or the people who lost their jobs because of a pandemic

Or the parents who through no fault of their owns became ill and unable to work

Or the parents who have MH or substance abuse problems

Or the parents who are disabled

Then again why punish innocent children for the misfortunes or decisions made by their parents.

At what age do you think children should be made responsible for their parents circumstances and withdraw support from them
At birth, at 5 when they go to school, at 11 when they can get work in a mill or climb chimneys, at 13 when they become teenagers ?

That is why we have a welfare state because it saves as an insurance policy for the vulnerable, unlucky or disadvantaged in society.

It is a bit like the NHS. If you don’t like it I suggest that you stop using it’s services and just pay for everything yourself.

God forbid that you get Covid and end up in hospital and are told that your Bill for two weeks in an ICU at £2200 per day.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:41 pm  

Wow. Seems like I managed to trigger all the snowflakes by just suggesting that parents who mistreat their kids take some responsibility.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:06 pm  

Mike1970 wrote:

Wow. Seems like I managed to trigger all the snowflakes by just suggesting that parents who mistreat their kids take some responsibility.

Making yourself look like an unhinged loon to own the libs. Nice one.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 pm  

Mike1970 wrote:

Wow. Seems like I managed to trigger all the snowflakes by just suggesting that parents who mistreat their kids take some responsibility.

If you don’t already, take up fishing - based on here you catch plenty with the bait you use