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Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:04 pm  

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wotsupcas wrote:
Able bodied and of working age.
The dole office or whatever its called nowadays making sure people provide evidence of job interviews/job applications etc.


It's a little more severe than that these days.
Assessments on suitability for work are carried out by a 3rd party who are "targeted" to reduce payments by whatever means they can.
To a man/woman, they will find ways of reducing everyone's benefits and the appeal process take 9-12 months.

Remembering that many of those unable to work have issues which make them les able to deal with such parties and unable to work their way around the appeals procedure, this leads to many people simply having to suffer a cut to their benefits.

For many on the right wing of the political system, they may say that this is how it should be.
However, the flawed roll out of universal credit, plus the squeeze on benefits etc, merely shoves people towards food banks or worse.

It makes my blood boil and it would do some of the people making these decisions the world of good to be on the receiving end of their own regime
Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:58 pm  

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Superblue wrote:
Again, not sure what you mean by “able bodied”, sounds like a sound bite the army would use for recruitment.

But with that level of dole office testing and checking going on, how can anyone abuse the system let alone immigrants? :D


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Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:23 pm  

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Possible - but in that eventuality, it has a nett zero positive impact on those people who are on the lowest wages; they get a slightly higher low wage, but have to pay more for the things they want to buy.


They’d get all of their extra wage, while the higher price burden would fall on all, so as a demographic section i’d think it’d be good for them

One Remain argument I don’t buy is the ‘they only do jobs Brits don’t want’. To me that raises the question of why don’t Brits want those jobs, and makes me wonder if they’d be more attractive if cheap EU labour was not available.

It is one of those things where what is good for Britain in terms of economic performance isn’t directly good for the British labour force. There’s also a tension there for the Tories between their capitalist and nativist instincts.

There’s maybe a bigger demographic issue too that we need immigration to support our ageing population and all the elderly folk who don’t like immigration, and expect fewer younger folk to work ever harder to fund their pensions. Bet they won’t be happy when the price of milk and baked beans goes up because there aren’t enough Lithuanians to stack the shelves!
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Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:05 pm  

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They’d get all of their extra wage, while the higher price burden would fall on all, so as a demographic section i’d think it’d be good for them

One Remain argument I don’t buy is the ‘they only do jobs Brits don’t want’. To me that raises the question of why don’t Brits want those jobs, and makes me wonder if they’d be more attractive if cheap EU labour was not available.

It is one of those things where what is good for Britain in terms of economic performance isn’t directly good for the British labour force. There’s also a tension there for the Tories between their capitalist and nativist instincts.

There’s maybe a bigger demographic issue too that we need immigration to support our ageing population and all the elderly folk who don’t like immigration, and expect fewer younger folk to work ever harder to fund their pensions. Bet they won’t be happy when the price of milk and baked beans goes up because there aren’t enough Lithuanians to stack the shelves!

Thought I'd worked hard for 43 years so far and paid my NI to pay for my own pension. Silly me
Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:07 pm  

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Superblue wrote:
Again, not sure what you mean by “able bodied”, sounds like a sound bite the army would use for recruitment.

But with that level of dole office testing and checking going on, how can anyone abuse the system let alone immigrants? :D

Either you are being deliberately obtuse or are extremely stupid if you don't know what someone means in general terms when they say able bodied
Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:25 pm  

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wotsupcas wrote:
Either you are being deliberately obtuse or are extremely stupid if you don't know what someone means in general terms when they say able bodied


Then you won’t have any difficulty in describing for us the general labels you are putting on people you don’t know.
And not forgetting to explain how anyone can abuse the system let alone immigrants, with all them tests and checks :D
We all know your not stupid :D
Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:31 pm  

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wotsupcas wrote:
Thought I'd worked hard for 43 years so far and paid my NI to pay for my own pension. Silly me


Har har me to, and then one day I was told that paying stamps for 43 years only qualified me for my pension, I wasn’t actually accruing a pot. :D

My stamps paid the pensions on the people already retired for the previous 43 years, and my pension years would be funded by future generation contributions.

I was also told that 33 years was the threshold so you have put 10 years to much in :D

Unless you ten Bob tories get a better deal :D
Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:49 pm  

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wotsupcas wrote:
Thought I'd worked hard for 43 years so far and paid my NI to pay for my own pension. Silly me


Nope, your NI paid the pensions of the previous generation.
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Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:11 pm  

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Just look at this forum. I should imagine that were mostly working class on here and we are squabbling amongst ourselves. Blaming the poorly educated. Blaming the UC claimants etc. Take a baby from the slums and provide it with a privileged upbringing and your problems are solved. It's not the individuals that are at fault, it's down to the system and the hand that you're dealt.
Re: Brexit watch Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:09 am  
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silver2 wrote:
Just look at this forum. I should imagine that were mostly working class on here and we are squabbling amongst ourselves. Blaming the poorly educated. Blaming the UC claimants etc. Take a baby from the slums and provide it with a privileged upbringing and your problems are solved. It's not the individuals that are at fault, it's down to the system and the hand that you're dealt.


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