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Re: Brexit watch Sun May 09, 2021 3:49 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:
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The Ghost of '99 wrote:
As with ZZB you seem intent on making everything some question of patriotism or us vs them.
I cared about "our interests" when we made the self-harming decision to leave the EU. I cared about "our interests" when the government had to surrender in the negotia
tions due to their inherently weak position.
But the deal is done now. We've agreed a legal document and, when we or Jersey breach it, running to your partisan corner isn't any good, even if it makes you feel better.

If you're upset that the deal is so bad the people on the ground feel compelled to breach it, don't blame the other side, with whom we agreed the deal and are now, fairly enough, upset that we are trying to break our word. And don't don't blame me for being "against our interests" just because you think we should stamp our feet and wave big flags.
Blame the people who put us in this position and who negotiated that deal. Politics isn't just mindless football supporting - policies and decisions matter and you should be looking to your government to take responsibility when they fail.

Fact.. Jersey aren't breaking the deal
Fact.. Its the French that are stamping their feet because they don't like the deal
Why are you lying again? I've picked you up on this many times before and you never answer.
And why do you pick up on one sentence of my post which is, admittedly, opinion and ignore the rest which is fact.
Re: Brexit watch Sun May 09, 2021 3:59 pm  
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wotsupcas wrote:
Fact.. Jersey aren't breaking the deal

Well then, we can't have a discussion because you are not inhabiting planet reality.
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Re: Brexit watch Sun May 09, 2021 4:10 pm  

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The Ghost of '99 wrote:
Well then, we can't have a discussion because you are not inhabiting planet reality.

OK then educate me, how are Jersey breaking the deal?
Re: Brexit watch Sun May 09, 2021 5:31 pm  

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OK then educate me, how are Jersey breaking the deal?

Come on you've had a couple of hours to think about it. Or have I caught you lying again?
Re: Brexit watch Sun May 09, 2021 8:40 pm  
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wotsupcas wrote:
Come on you've had a couple of hours to think about it. Or have I caught you lying again?

Calm down, some of us have other things to be doing other than fixing up the delusions of someone on the internet.
wotsupcas wrote:
OK then educate me, how are Jersey breaking the deal?

Under the UK-EU Trade and Co-operation Agreement licences get issued to French boats. Any new conditions attached to those licences which limit fishing activities in UK water must be based on a clear scientific rationale, be non-discriminatory between UK and European boats and be notified in advance.

None of these were followed - when the licences were issued they came with a host of unexpected restrictions. Guernsey in contrast followed the rules of the agreement.

Jersey fishermen are in despair at the actions of their government because it is inviting retaliatory action. And it's just dumb because there will inevitably be a climb down, and probably quite quickly if the stand off means Jersey boats can't land their catches in France.
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Re: Brexit watch Sun May 09, 2021 9:06 pm  

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The Ghost of '99 wrote:
Calm down, some of us have other things to be doing other than fixing up the delusions of someone on the internet.
Under the UK-EU Trade and Co-operation Agreement licences get issued to French boats. Any new conditions attached to those licences which limit fishing activities in UK water must be based on a clear scientific rationale, be non-discriminatory between UK and European boats and be notified in advance.

None of these were followed - when the licences were issued they came with a host of unexpected restrictions. Guernsey in contrast followed the rules of the agreement.

Jersey fishermen are in despair at the actions of their government because it is inviting retaliatory action. And it's just dumb because there will inevitably be a climb down, and probably quite quickly if the stand off means Jersey boats can't land their catches in France.

They are non discriminatory and based on scientific rationale. The only bone of contention could be how much advance notification complies with the agreement.
Re: Brexit watch Wed May 19, 2021 11:46 am  

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This is about interpretation - all these rules are the same - the way the EU view things is very different to how everyone else views them - strange organisation
Re: Brexit watch Wed May 19, 2021 1:19 pm  
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This is about interpretation - all these rules are the same - the way the EU view things is very different to how everyone else views them - strange organisation

Who is "everyone else" in this case? I've not seen anyone with credibility suggest such a thing.
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Re: Brexit watch Wed May 19, 2021 1:28 pm  

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I read a news article a few days ago where it stated the licences for the French to fish their own waters only start in August & apparently their style of fishing will damage the eco system & sea bed in Jersey waters. How that has affected matters over the last 50 years i don't know though.
Re: Brexit watch Wed May 19, 2021 1:49 pm  
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The French in some cases fish seasonally which gives stocks time to recover, and tend to use less invasive methods than the large boats with British quotas. I'm not sure what fishing boats in Jersey do.
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