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Re: Brexit watch Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:30 am  

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Without immigration every aspect of life in London would be effected, every care home, the entire leisure sector not to mention vegetable picking.
I would say good luck getting our own to do these type of jobs. With the proposed immigration system then these workers would not be eligible so who does the work.


Not just London.

So let's say you're one of the less fortunate people who feel that their life choices have been limited - and you legitimately believe that immigration is one of the causes; so you reasonably voted to leave, to affect change.

You're on universal credit, or whatever bodged up version of it is in effect in your area, and there is now a massive labour shortage in what are perceived as low skilled, low paid jobs - such as the ones you've listed above - because immigration has been curtailed and those roles have largely been filled by immigrant workers. You don't apply for or attend an interview for those jobs, because you consider them beneath you, or too low paid. What happens to your universal credit payments, if you are not making active attempts to find work?

The outcome of Brexit, over the coming years, will be to hammer the very people who were persuaded to vote for it in large numbers; whilst the tax avoiding, low regulation fat cats, who did the persuading, will take even more of the pie than the 99% of the pie they already had - because for some people, no amount of pie is ever enough pie.
Re: Brexit watch Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:57 am  
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Or like Mr Dyson you relocate to the Far East because Brexit is so good for the people and business.
Re: Brexit watch Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:34 am  

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Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
Or like Mr Dyson you relocate to the Far East because Brexit is so good for the people and business.


It's a strange situation and I'm probably going to sound like a true blue Troy here.
However, although we may like to think that there are circumstances that help business and that dont help people, this just isn't true - the two "sides" are utterly interdependent on one another.
However, for business to prosper, it doesn't mean that the "masses" need to be squeezed and overworked etc.
Ultimately, we are still at first base, not having a clue at to how Brexit will affect us and whether indeed, it will prove to be a good thing for the population.
Apparently we have now "taken back control" of our borders, albeit with free movement still possible until the end of 2020.
However, the FTA that we were all told would be so easy, looks far from certain and fundamentally, it seems ad odds with how the EU has always worked.
It would allow the UK to have the benefits of being an EU member but, without any contribution AND allow us (the UK) to set up our own seperate trade arrangements - cake and eat it, I really dont think that will be allowed to happen.
Ireland has been chucked under the Brexit bus - serves them right for not voting Tory :oops: and Scotland, well, they just want independence, at any cost.
Re: Brexit watch Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:15 pm  

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bren2k wrote:
Not just London.

So let's say you're one of the less fortunate people who feel that their life choices have been limited - and you legitimately believe that immigration is one of the causes; so you reasonably voted to leave, to affect change.

You're on universal credit, or whatever bodged up version of it is in effect in your area, and there is now a massive labour shortage in what are perceived as low skilled, low paid jobs - such as the ones you've listed above - because immigration has been curtailed and those roles have largely been filled by immigrant workers. You don't apply for or attend an interview for those jobs, because you consider them beneath you, or too low paid. What happens to your universal credit payments, if you are not making active attempts to find work?

The outcome of Brexit, over the coming years, will be to hammer the very people who were persuaded to vote for it in large numbers; whilst the tax avoiding, low regulation fat cats, who did the persuading, will take even more of the pie than the 99% of the pie they already had - because for some people, no amount of pie is ever enough pie.

If people are fit to work why should they receive benefits if they're not attempting to find gainful employment?
Re: Brexit watch Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:35 pm  

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wotsupcas wrote:
If people are fit to work why should they receive benefits if they're not attempting to find gainful employment?

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Re: Brexit watch Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:50 pm  

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bren2k wrote:
Not just London.

So let's say you're one of the less fortunate people who feel that their life choices have been limited - and you legitimately believe that immigration is one of the causes; so you reasonably voted to leave, to affect change.

You're on universal credit, or whatever bodged up version of it is in effect in your area, and there is now a massive labour shortage in what are perceived as low skilled, low paid jobs - such as the ones you've listed above - because immigration has been curtailed and those roles have largely been filled by immigrant workers. You don't apply for or attend an interview for those jobs, because you consider them beneath you, or too low paid. What happens to your universal credit payments, if you are not making active attempts to find work?

The outcome of Brexit, over the coming years, will be to hammer the very people who were persuaded to vote for it in large numbers; whilst the tax avoiding, low regulation fat cats, who did the persuading, will take even more of the pie than the 99% of the pie they already had - because for some people, no amount of pie is ever enough pie.


Tbf, in the event of a labour shortage, wages (and therefore prices, of course) might rise.
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Re: Brexit watch Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:22 pm  

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wotsupcas wrote:
If people are fit to work why should they receive benefits if they're not attempting to find gainful employment?


What are you meaning by “ fit for work” ?

Is it a one size fits all definition

Who is the arbiter of if a person is “attempting to find gainful employment” ? :D

I say this based upon my own interactions with the benefits system over the years, and knowledge of people who work in the benefits system.
Re: Brexit watch Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:30 pm  

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Superblue wrote:
What are you meaning by “ fit for work” ?

Is it a one size fits all definition

Who is the arbiter of if a person is “attempting to find gainful employment” ? :D

I say this based upon my own interactions with the benefits system over the years, and knowledge of people who work in the benefits system.

Able bodied and of working age.
The dole office or whatever its called nowadays making sure people provide evidence of job interviews/job applications etc.
Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:43 am  

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Mild Rover wrote:
Tbf, in the event of a labour shortage, wages (and therefore prices, of course) might rise.


Possible - but in that eventuality, it has a nett zero positive impact on those people who are on the lowest wages; they get a slightly higher low wage, but have to pay more for the things they want to buy.
Re: Brexit watch Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:45 pm  

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wotsupcas wrote:
Able bodied and of working age.
The dole office or whatever its called nowadays making sure people provide evidence of job interviews/job applications etc.


Again, not sure what you mean by “able bodied”, sounds like a sound bite the army would use for recruitment.

But with that level of dole office testing and checking going on, how can anyone abuse the system let alone immigrants? :D
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