Re: Tears for Tiers : Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:26 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

I love your concern for the future of our children particularly those from underprivileged backgrounds.

Maybe you could support policies that ensure that they get fed such as free schools meals something which the Tories have reluctantly had to be dragged into.

Maybe you could support policies which provide affordable housing so that thousands of children are not homeless and living in hostels or a whole family in a room.

Maybe you could support policies that all children should be given access to a laptop which was promised by Boris at the start of the crisis but was dropped so that more money could be given to his friends in the private sector to squirrel away by pretending to set up a track and trace system or provide poop PPE.

Maybe you could support policies which have not cut Educational psychology and support for children with special needs to the bone.

You use this arguement about helping children staying in school yet you seem happy to deny them the basics of life such as food and shelter.

You should read Maslows hierarchy of need. You cannot learn if you are hungry , you cannot learn if you are scared about whether you will have a roof over your head


Your arguements about schooling are nothing but straw men. You don’t care about the children as much as you care about supporting government propaganda

You do know I’m not Boris Johnson don’t you, and in all honesty although a bit blue at the moment don’t have any particular political tendencies, and certainly don’t an issue with supporting any of the policies you mention, indeed I have grandchildren that fall into the bracket of the support you mention above - my point being that it is not always as straightforward as people make it seem
Don’t think Johnson has handled this well by any means, but who would have done better and differently

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:17 am  

ColD wrote:

You do know I’m not Boris Johnson don’t you, and in all honesty although a bit blue at the moment don’t have any particular political tendencies, and certainly don’t an issue with supporting any of the policies you mention, indeed I have grandchildren that fall into the bracket of the support you mention above - my point being that it is not always as straightforward as people make it seem
Don’t think Johnson has handled this well by any means, but who would have done better and differently

How's your splintered @rse?
At least DG lays it down!
Take a side and be done with it man, your beginning to sound like Mild Rover, dearest me!

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:33 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

I love your concern for the future of our children particularly those from underprivileged backgrounds.

Maybe you could support policies that ensure that they get fed such as free schools meals something which the Tories have reluctantly had to be dragged into.

Maybe you could support policies which provide affordable housing so that thousands of children are not homeless and living in hostels or a whole family in a room.

Maybe you could support policies that all children should be given access to a laptop which was promised by Boris at the start of the crisis but was dropped so that more money could be given to his friends in the private sector to squirrel away by pretending to set up a track and trace system or provide poop PPE.

Maybe you could support policies which have not cut Educational psychology and support for children with special needs to the bone.

You use this arguement about helping children staying in school yet you seem happy to deny them the basics of life such as food and shelter.

You should read Maslows hierarchy of need. You cannot learn if you are hungry , you cannot learn if you are scared about whether you will have a roof over your head


Your arguements about schooling are nothing but straw men. You don’t care about the children as much as you care about supporting government propaganda

Let's have a look at some of these:
1. Perhaps if parents took some responsibility and prioritised feeding their kids rather than constantly berating the state - plenty of low income families manage to feed their kids - its about doing the right thing first. Free school meals should be a last resort but should be available all year round.
2.We live in a very densely populated country so building affordable housing is a challenge especially in the cities where it is needed so kids are close to schools/infrastructure etc - where in London do you suggest they build - Regents Park, Green Park - deny the public these green spaces?
3.Leeds council are sat on about 1,500 laptops that never got distributed - perhaps the government did their bit but the local councils haven't done theirs?
4. Agreed

Maslow really applies to the adults - he doesn't mention hungry children - plenty of kids learn perfectly well from poor backgrounds it about parental input - you encourage your kids to embrace education and they will - if you don't see any value in it neither will your kids.

The state can only do so much - as adults we have to take some responsibility for our own actions - if we have done everything possible and still need state help that is what it is there for a last resort not the first option.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:56 am  

WIZEB wrote:

How's your splintered @rse?
At least DG lays it down!
Take a side and be done with it man, your beginning to sound like Mild Rover, dearest me!

Got some very good tweezers thanks

And why is it about taking sides, it’s about what’s best for the country and all the people within it

Appreciate most on here appear to be Corbynists, and that is their choice - and it appears to be those on here who don’t wish to waiver from that and look at the whole picture. The Tories are in charge so let’s just rip anything they do or say appears to be the motto

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:04 pm  

Maybe because whatever the Tories do or say isn’t for the betterment for the country more like lining the pockets for their spouses and fat cat mates. Despite what the Daily Mail or the Sun spout out Corbyn would’ve handled Covid a lot better.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:31 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Maybe because whatever the Tories do or say isn’t for the betterment for the country more like lining the pockets for their spouses and fat cat mates. Despite what the Daily Mail or the Sun spout out Corbyn would’ve handled Covid a lot better.

That's really gone and done it now.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:18 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Maybe because whatever the Tories do or say isn’t for the betterment for the country more like lining the pockets for their spouses and fat cat mates. Despite what the Daily Mail or the Sun spout out Corbyn would’ve handled Covid a lot better.

+1

And its about time all these tories were stopped from fiddling their taxes

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:34 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Maybe because whatever the Tories do or say isn’t for the betterment for the country more like lining the pockets for their spouses and fat cat mates. Despite what the Daily Mail or the Sun spout out Corbyn would’ve handled Covid a lot better.

Well I think you’ve just pretty much proved the point I was making to be honest - neither you nor I have any idea how Corbyn would have handled Covid, but there you go bigging him up. To be fair I’m not aware of any comments he’s made about how he would have done things differently, and in my opinion (you seem to be stating it as a fact) he wouldn’t have been up to it - in fact he was one of 2 reasons I didn’t vote Labour at the last election.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:46 pm  

ColD wrote:

Well I think you’ve just pretty much proved the point I was making to be honest - neither you nor I have any idea how Corbyn would have handled Covid, but there you go bigging him up. To be fair I’m not aware of any comments he’s made about how he would have done things differently, and in my opinion (you seem to be stating it as a fact) he wouldn’t have been up to it - in fact he was one of 2 reasons I didn’t vote Labour at the last election.

I imagine, at a time government is trying to deliver these huge and critical projects, it wouldn't hurt having in charge someone who believed in the power of government to make things happen rather than people who believe the solution instead is to give vast contracts, without tenders, to companies with no relevant experience other than the ears and pockets of cabinet members.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:52 pm  

Corbyn would have handled it better? Lol. How? By calling it the fault of isreal and offering it free WiFi to go away?