Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:30 pm  

John_D wrote:

There's a reason I ended up in software....

And one of my chemistry teachers taught us how to make contact explosives. Pure, innocent, pre-11/9 times.

I made gunpowder once. We tried it in an usused classroom one lunchtime. I got the proportions slightly wrong so instead of going up in a whoosh, it burned slowly and we couldn't put it out. Straight through the floorboards and then on. The last I saw as I bolted out of the door was it eating it's way through to the staff room below.
I don't know if it made it all the way through, but the very next day all the sulphur dissapeared from all the chemistry labs (and it had been there for years).

[John_D]

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:33 pm  

DHM wrote:

Isn't this what the dispute is about? Too many hours and too many deliveries leading to potentially exhausted tanker drivers with 25,000 litres of explosive liquid in tow?

So a cynic (moi?) may say that generating a shortage and the unions, wishing to appear co-operative, temporarily relax the working time directive is a ploy for the employers to say 'well you managed it for a week, we're not budging' and get it all their own way.

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:51 pm  

DHM wrote:

Isn't this what the dispute is about? Too many hours and too many deliveries leading to potentially exhausted tanker drivers with 25,000 litres of explosive liquid in tow?

No, no, no. The H&S thing is just a cover for greed that flies in the face of economic reality (well, the economic reality for some, but not for all but that's entirely beside the point).

Saddened said so. So it must be true.

And anyway, if it is about H&S, then that just proves how bad H&S is and how it's holding back the economy ...

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:58 pm  

DHM wrote:

I made gunpowder once. We tried it in an usused classroom one lunchtime. I got the proportions slightly wrong so instead of going up in a whoosh, it burned slowly and we couldn't put it out. Straight through the floorboards and then on. The last I saw as I bolted out of the door was it eating it's way through to the staff room below.
I don't know if it made it all the way through, but the very next day all the sulphur dissapeared from all the chemistry labs (and it had been there for years).

The event that foreshadowed my expulsion from grammar school was making nitrogen tri-iodide and reducing a school desk to matchwood. In the best Italian Job tradition, I only meant to blow the desk lid back up. Fortunately I used a 6' window pole to tip the lid down and despite all my protestations of innocence, I found it difficult to explain away my school blazer that, instead of the regulation black, now had a camouflage effect with all the slivers of wood embedded into it.

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:01 pm  

Mintball wrote:

No, no, no. The H&S thing is just a cover for greed that flies in the face of economic reality (well, the economic reality for some, but not for all but that's entirely beside the point).

Saddened said so. So it must be true.

And anyway, if it is about H&S, then that just proves how bad H&S is and how it's holding back the economy ...

Mock all you want, your only contribution to this was whinging about house prices in London. Kind of like weighing into a discussion on the price of vegetables with a complaint about working conditions for Apple workers in Bangalore.

The Union has plenty of reasons planned out for the action, none of which are sufficient to warrant it. The H&S issue isn't something the drivers are at all bothered about, their issue with the companies they work for is protecting their T&Cs, so being protected on pay, term of contract and pension. The H&S stuff just sounds good.

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:08 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

The Union has plenty of reasons planned out for the action, none of which are sufficient to warrant it. The H&S issue isn't something the drivers are at all bothered about, their issue with the companies they work for is protecting their T&Cs, so being protected on pay, term of contract and pension. The H&S stuff just sounds good.

And you are confident that this load of old fanny is correct, how?

It's bullshit, as have been most of your contributions to this thread

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:11 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

The Union has plenty of reasons planned out for the action, none of which are sufficient to warrant it. The H&S issue isn't something the drivers are at all bothered about, their issue with the companies they work for is protecting their T&Cs, so being protected on pay, term of contract and pension. The H&S stuff just sounds good.

Given that they are not asking for a pay rise I'd say that the "pay and conditions" statements that have been creeping out on Downing Street press statements today are slightly less than truthful.

It is true that drivers are seeing intense competition coming into play in their specialised sector of the HGV industry and they are probably justified in complaining of reductions in pay rates, short term contacts and arsing about with their pension plans, all to benefit the end purchaser of the goods they are delievering - who in the main is, supermarkets.

You might be able to do it with carrot suppliers but there are definite H&S issues with delivering petrol and anything that compromises that just to save a supermarket's profit margin shouldn't be seen as "just sounding good", everyone wants cheap petrol but we also want it to be delivered safely - heres one thing to note - it wasn't too many years ago that a petrol station would have to close while they were getting a delivery from a tanker, they don't now do they, do you still feel ok about filling your car up while the tanker is tipping fuel into the ground knowing that the driver is trying to do it as quickly as possible because he's got a list of other drops as long as his arm and 11 more hours left on this shift ?

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:39 pm  

A bit random, but just a thought.....

Whenever we, the public, get shafted by our esteemed government (Labour, Tory or Coalition), or some nasty big business, like the bankers, you always hear people in the media moaning about how the great British public just sit back and take the consequences and are basically spineless, and that, if we were in France, we would all be out demonstrating in the street, bringing the country to a rightful standstill.

However, when a group of people under the banner of a union, actually decide to stand up to some ruthless employers or incompetent government, these same folk in the media can't wait to stick the boot in, accusing these demonstrators of being only slightly higher in the public esteem than paedophiles and rapists.

I'm just curious as to why this is??

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:03 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

40% burns is enough to ensure that she could be actually dead in a short time - will you be so flippant with your comments then ?

I wasn't being flippant. Though anybody that display such incredulous stupidty shouldn't even have a daughter.

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:04 pm  

DHM wrote:

Isn't this what the dispute is about? Too many hours and too many deliveries leading to potentially exhausted tanker drivers with 25,000 litres of explosive liquid in tow?

No. Unleaded petrol typically carries an R12 risk phrase and is considered to be an extremely flammable liquid, which is capable of forming a potentially explosive atmosphere on release. Should the release be ignited it may lead to an explosion.

Explosive liquids are something entirely different.

Not having a pop just trying to discourage scaremongering