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Cracking thread, best on both forums atm, some real ' loons ' out there



To be honest I’m in despair.

I blocked a certain poster, due to having totally different views.

Unfortunately other members keep quoting his posts – which makes them visible once again!

I like a good conspiracy as much as the next man, but for crying out loud.
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SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!

If a big eared bloke and his dog from Preston can get to the moon, i'm sure NASA could manage it :wink:
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If a big eared bloke and his dog from Preston can get to the moon, i'm sure NASA could manage it :wink:


I’d have thought you’d have had enough conspiracies theories regarding your beloved club, to spend time in this alternative universe.
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SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
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Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!

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I’d have thought you’d have had enough conspiracies theories regarding your beloved club, to spend time in this alternative universe.


No real conspiraces at Leigh, a few ' ideas ' floating about, but ultimatly what happens happens and we just carry on

Been quite interesting today ont telly, ive seen a moon buggy and astronauts on a film set in the Nevada desert, and a human on Mars

Nearly as entertaining as this thread
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The Earth is not a Globe. Trust Your God Given Senses.If the Sun is 93.000.000 miles away, why do i see clouds behind the Sun.?. Occam's Razor = it Isn't 93.000.000 miles away.
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And so all satellite installers are in on the scam - right?.

Hahaha have you heard yourself. Of course they're not in the scam. They the installers just cable clip their route from dish to Sky box, then point the Aeriel to a certain location. Theres no inevitable satellite handshake that takes place.

I've had Sky TV for 28 years with no engineer interaction to realign my dish.Now the so called satellites we've been told are prone to malfunction quite frequently. So why haven't i needed an engineer to realign my antenna.

In fact i've had a varied Sky connection for the past 6 years which involves no interaction whatsoever with Sky. The antenna/dish recieves the analogue signal from ground based transmitters which signals my Digital box, which is then linked to my WiFi which connects to my mates server which decodes my Digital box and then Boom i have every channel going throughout our household.

Why do you think sky require a broadband connection. So they can control your package by dialling in from there centres. The dish is just an aerial picking up signal data from ground based transmitters. Then sky add your package through dialling in to your Digital box from the call centre. Simples... Don't tell me knowbody knows this. My Sky system has no interaction with sky hence no satellite interaction needed. So to answer your question installers do as they are told on where to point the antenna thats all
. Simples.
Ferocious Aardvark Wrote, You cannot surely be as gullible as to actually give one second of credence to the bullcrap you just cut n pasted? Can you? You do know people are laughing at you? This is lunacy if the highest order, yet you can't see it! It is this sort of drivel that strongly suggests you're a troll, as it's hard to think anyone could be so gullible as to swallow that bull you just posted. Scientifically illiterate drivel.

Typically the troll reverts to More Ad Hominem insulting behaviour. Why do you get so angry. Insults plus angst equals lost the squabble. Easy..
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FLAT STANLEY wrote:
Hahaha have you heard yourself. Of course they're not in the scam. [b][i]They the installers just cable clip their route from dish to Sky box, then point the Aeriel to a certain location.

Indeed. The location of the satellites!

FLAT STANLEY wrote:
I've had Sky TV for 28 years

Wait ... it doesn't exist, yet you've had it for 25 years? How stupid are you, then?

FLAT STANLEY wrote:
with no engineer interaction to realign my dish.Now the so called satellites we've been told are prone to malfunction quite frequently. So why haven't i needed an engineer to realign my antenna.

Why would your dish move? Once aligned and securely bolted and fixed, that's it! Unless your house falls down, or there is an earthquake or something, it ain't gonna move, is it? Does the rest of your house move regularly? Does your terrestrial aerial move?

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In fact i've had a varied Sky connection for the past 6 years which involves no interaction whatsoever with Sky. The antenna/dish recieves the analogue signal from ground based transmitters which signals my Digital box, which is then linked to my WiFi which connects to my mates server which decodes my Digital box and then Boom i have every channel going throughout our household.

You make this ludicrous claim that you think the dish "receives the analogue signal from ground based transmitters" - but that is nothing but a weird and unscientific statement of belief, there is no evidence whatsoever that any such thing happens, and of course it doesn't, because it isn't possible. You know where your dish is pointed. Into space. If it got signals from "ground based transmitters", how tall are they? thousands of miles? Would't we be able to see them?

Why would a dish in Edinburgh be aligned on the basis of the position of a satellite in space, and will work, and a dish in London would be similarly aligned and will work? They are hundreds of miles apart - they could not possibly, even in your hairbrained world, receive signals from the same ground based transmitter, because there would need to be an unfeasible number of these mythical transmitters to fake signals from one particular direction for every single one of the millions of dishes across the UK and indeed Europe.

How do you account for all the satellite services for non-Astra channels, eg Asian services? They all have to be aligned in a different direction. Or they won't work. I say that is because that is where their satellites are to be found. What do you say? Another vast network of secret transmitters all this time aligned to appear as if the signal is coming from that part of the sky?

Do you not see how barking this stupid theory is? Really? It is funny, I'll give you that.

But, if you are claiming that you receive paid Sky subscription channels, but pay nothing, then you are indeed a blatant and shameless liar. You do no such thing. You are making it up. Or maybe bad troll - jury is still out on that.
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You can receive paid sky channels by paying next to nothing not exactly free but minimum cost.
You need a satellite dish and a broadband internet connection and a 'SKY' V8 android box plus a '12 months gift' which costs about £10.
Bingo 'FREE' sky tv including all PPV at a cost of around £10 per year
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Indeed. The location of the satellites! Wait ... it doesn't exist, yet you've had it for 25 years? How stupid are you, then?.

Yes 25 years. I remember many years ago in my primary school days before dishes were raging tuning our TV and we received The Super Channel and what was then Sky Channel which i thought was amazing because it shown American Wrestling and Aussie rugby league. Now they were supposedly Satellite channels so how did we receive these Channels through a common TV Aerial. I'll tell you why its because Satellites don't exist.
Ferocious Aardvark Wrote; Why would your dish move? Once aligned and securely bolted and fixed, that's it! Unless your house falls down, or there is an earthquake or something, it ain't gonna move, is it? Does the rest of your house move regularly? Does your terrestrial aerial move.

The dish won't move exactly. But if/when the so called satellite malfunctions which they would if they were truly orbiting.Yours/my dish would need re-aligning to another Satellite. Durrrh. And this never happens.
Ferocious Aardvark Wrote: But, if you are claiming that you receive paid Sky subscription channels, but pay nothing, then you are indeed a blatant and shameless liar. You do no such thing. You are making it up. Or maybe bad troll - jury is still out on that.

I ain't lying just like Tigerman has just posted. I pay £40 yearly subscription for 4x boxes. I get all channels including PPV without Sky's even knowing proving Satellites are a myth. I don't tell porkies like you i'm all about truth.:lol:
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As stated, I believed in the Apollo missions for forty years. During that time no one would ever convince me that the whole thing was staged. Although this was purely an act of FAITH on my part because I'd never bothered to really delve into the minutiae. It was only after some issues cropped up which were tangential to NASA that I realized it really was the last institution I should be trusting.

I mean, just look at the farrago of lies which is the Apollo I fire. NASA passes the "accident" off as an unfortunate coalescence of haste and over enthusiasm.

Yet almost no-one is aware of the fact that Gus Grissom had become so frustrated with the complete and utter SHAMBLES which was the Apollo capsule that he'd gone so far as to pick the biggest lemon he could find from his orchard and hung it PUBLICLY on the craft using a coathanger for everyone to see and called a PRESS CONFERENCE to air his views.

Of course, it was just PURE CO-INCIDENCE that prior to the "Plugs Out" test which involved pressurizing the Apollo capsule to 20PSI of PURE OXYGEN (a combination which both the Apollo mission controllers and the designers of the capsule KNEW to be potentially LETHAL because of the propensity for just about any substance including fire-retarding asbestos to catch fire at the slightest opportunity) the Apollo capsule had been stuffed to the gunnels with just about every flammable and toxic substance NASA could lay its hands on. Just as it was PURE CO-INCIDENCE that the door mechanism had been changed making it practically impossible for anyone to escape in an emergency. Just as it was PURE CO-INCIDENCE that the team meant to oversee the test which normally surrounded the capsule were for some strange reason not at their posts.

But in a flash fire situation it's doubtful they could have cranked open the door and extracted the three astronauts before they were overcome anyway - right?

Well, that was certainly the story - UNTIL safety supervisor Thomas Ronald Barron made the ASTONISHING claim that Grissom, Chaffee & White had first reported the fire a full FIVE MINUTES prior to the only communications transcript NASA released which led everyone to believe the three astronauts were incinerated in seconds. And it was just PURE CO-INCIDENCE that Grissom suddenly found he couldn't communicate with the tower prompting an exasperated comment, "How the hell are we supposed to go to the moon if we can't communicate between three buildings"?

Just as it was PURE CO-INCIDENCE that days prior to the accident enquiry when he was about to release a DAMNING FIVE-HUNDRED PAGE safety report which would have undoubtedly sunk the program Barron and his wife were killed when their car mysteriously stalled on a level-crossing and they were crushed beneath a freight train. And the CO-INCIDENCES just kept piling up when contrary to state law both bodies were cremated without autopsy.

And yet we are supposed to have FAITH in NASA?

As for the moon landings - I suspect that many people can't see the truth PRECISELY BECAUSE the deception is literally staring them in the face.

Regarding the supposed cooling systems in both the suits and the Lunar Excursion Module - it really isn't difficult to determine that even the notion is patently LUDICROUS.

Turn your oven to 180 degrees centigrade and leave it for a few minutes to warm up. Now open the door and stick your hand in. In that brief moment you can tolerate the heat you are getting just a taste of what both cooling systems had to overcome for hours - even days.

According to NASA's own specifications the moonwalkers were cooled by barely more than THREE LITRES of water circulating through both the backpack and the suit and then vented onto the heat exchanger (did anyone SEE ice crystals escaping into the vacuum?) - which of course reduced the level of water each time. And this is BEFORE the suit's reflectivity becomes compromised by lunar dust.

And as for the LEM - think of 190 degrees beating down on every square inch of its paper-thin skin. And if we are to believe Neil Armstrong & Buzz Aldrin it was so COLD inside the LEM they were "constantly shivering". Laughable!

Think of Neil Armstrong's quiet, assured and professional tone as he hunts for a safe place to land the LEM. Now think of the ROCKET MOTOR which is barely more than a COUPLE OF METRES below his feet delivering five-figures of thrust. Boy! NASA must really have spent big on high-technology sound-proofing because Armstrong never raised his voice once.

And whilst we are at it - the hypergolic fuel NASA claims was used burns up at around 4,000/5,000C. Are we to supposed to believe the moon's surface is so heat-resistant that instead of turning to LAVA immediately below the LEM (bear in mind that many earth rocks are reduced to this state at 1,000C) it retarded the heat as well as any heat-shield?

As for the photographs - even though there's plenty of evidence of multiple shadows (remember, the astronauts brought no separate light sources according to the manufacturers of the camera - Hasselblad) - as a Canon-accredited photographer who has worked extensively with fast lenses and multiple flash packs I tend to concentrate purely on LIGHT.

You see - anyone who understands the full significance of the INVERSE SQUARE LAW, f-stops and dynamic range must instantly realise there's something very WRONG with many of the photographs.

Given that the sun effectively functions as a point-source of light any original and unaltered photograph which features significant light fall-off that cannot be explained by the casting of shadows can ONLY be fake. There are no ifs and buts about this and if you think so you really don't understand the INVERSE SQUARE LAW which is ... well ... an IMMUTABLE LAW.

As for those photographs in which the "sun" backlights the scene and yet the subject is clearly visible (rather than turning to a silhouette) despite the fact that the camera is stopped down to such an extent that everything in the scene is PIN SHARP and yet the photographer is not using a tripod - LAUGHABLE.

If you have a camera, remote trigger and a flash do yourself a favour and try to recreate that shot in low light whilst handholding at f/22 or above using everyday items. A flash is a good analogue for the sun providing you don't place it close.

When you have finished let me know how you got on. :D
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FLAT STANLEY wrote:

[i]The dish won't move exactly. But if/when the so called satellite malfunctions which they would if they were truly orbiting.Yours/my dish would need re-aligning to another Satellite. Durrrh.

In fact, they launch a new rreplacement satellite and position it in the same area. Durrh.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:
[b][i]I ain't lying just like Tigerman has just posted. I pay £40 yearly subscription for 4x boxes. I get all channels including PPV without Sky's even knowing proving Satellites are a myth. I don't tell porkies like you i'm all about truth.:lol:

Epic fail, you pay your subs, and even if you didn't (but you have now changed your tune and admit you do) what the hell has that got to do with where the signals originate?
:CRAZY:

You ignored the last list, so here's a list of just the brighter satellites with full precise details of where they can be seen in a clear sky, over Leeds. If your sky is not clear - don't worry - as soon as you have a clear sky just log on to heavens-above.com and get your bang-up-to-the-second custom list for your location. Or anywhere in the world.

You can see every one with YOUR OWN EYES Stan.

I would like to know how this is possible, given you say none of these actually exist

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