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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:20 pm  
XBrettKennyX wrote:
Now I really must go back to work, in order to earn money to pay taxes and keep you and your husband in benefits/salary.


Sadly this is what happens in Conservative Britain.

I expect you are paying 50% on your earnings as well because thats what George Osborne wants. The hard working pay tax so that we can afford the bill of social failure.

As for where your money is being spent under the Tory government keep a close eye on the social welfare bill because thats on an upward trajectory compared to what it was under Labour.

But don't worry because the police and the armed forces are being cut so the taxpayer gets a break there. Law and order isn't a priority any more and who needs defence when we can enter joint security initiatives with La France.
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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:30 pm  
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I told YOU that you were driving around in a flash car? I said that YOU wanted to show off?

Check my posts, find where I said that you PERSONALLY did and you will get a full apology.

Now I really must go back to work, in order to earn money to pay taxes and keep you and your husband in benefits/salary.




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and you will be telling me that there are those that don't fake their illnesses for that very reason next..........


Time was when cars for those with "disabilities" were blue and had 3 wheels.

Going back to those days would ensure that those that needed mobility got it, without attracting people who could get some money and end up putting it to a £30k 4x4.


What sort of people would that be then?

XBrettKennyX wrote:
You shouldn't be able to get a £30k car on mobability "matey"


Again who's the "you" you are referring to, would that be me or all disabled people?

XBrettKennyX wrote:
Seriously?

The benefit is there to enable them to get around, not to help satisfy their desire for a "nicer" car.


Again "a nicer car"??


Need I continue? No wonder you shut up after everyone including me corrected you. Not just me you owe an apology to but all the other disabled people on the motability scheme you've offended and accused them of being fraudulent.
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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:35 pm  
XBrettKennyX wrote:
Are you serious?

Are you seriously trying to argue that the measures that the coalition are forced to take now are not the result of the chronic economic mismanagement of the previous administration?


Yes, of course I am.
The vast majority of the debt is the result of propping up the banks. (We don't know what Osborne would have done , he poo-poohed it at the time but has remaind silent ever since on what he would have done instead).
The debt before the banking crisis was at a level that the Major administration was fairly sanguine about, so they (i.e. the Conservatives) and you can't, with any credibility, criticise that level of debt.
Cameron likens it to a maxed-out credit card, which shows how much he knows about economics ... it's more like a mortgage, and his predecessors have been pretty keen for everyone to have a mortgage (selling off council houses etc).
UK 30 year sovereign debt is currently selling at just over 3% yield, now is the exact time to borrow more (yes, more) for capital projects, which get people into work and consequently release spending into GDP, which in turn creates more employment.
i.e. Growth is the way out of the crisis, austerity isn't working, not here, not anywhere.

As for the deficit, some cutting was required to balance it, but cutting so deep and so fast (as I have been saying on this board since before the last election) will strangle growth in its cot ... and it is doing so.

And so to the bottom line ... i.e. Why are the tories doing this?
They are using the crisis (that was created by their friends in the City) as a smokescreen whilst they set about the completion of their unfinished business that was begun by the madwoman herself ... viz. the wholesale destruction of the post-war settlement (look it up). They can't fully destroy it, the electorate won't let them, but the tories won't be truly happy while there is a benefit or social service remaining.

Your use of the word "forced" is incorrect.
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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:02 pm  
XBrettKennyX wrote:
Of course not.

However, they were guilty of thinking that the "good times" would last forever, and not putting money aside for a rainy day.



Tories vow to match Labour spending.

If what you say is true, shouldn't the Tories have been decrying Labour's spending plans and urging them to put money aside for a rainy day?
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Of course not.

However, they were guilty of thinking that the "good times" would last forever, and not putting money aside for a rainy day.



Tories vow to match Labour spending.

If what you say is true, shouldn't the Tories have been decrying Labour's spending plans and urging them to put money aside for a rainy day?
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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:02 pm  
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... The vast majority of the debt is the result of propping up the banks...


... and because of the recession caused by the financial crisis, leaving lower tax revenues and higher spending on benefits that were needed because of increasing unemployment.
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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:06 pm  
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Backside handed to me? haha

You must be joking.

The day I get my backside handed to me by a bunch of left wing misfits on a notice board, is the day I resign from the "proper" debating forums.


I would say unbelievable comment but it's entirely believable.


Do they say 'ha ha' a lot on the 'proper debating forums'?
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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:09 pm  
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Tories vow to match Labour spending.

If what you say is true, shouldn't the Tories have been decrying Labour's spending plans and urging them to put money aside for a rainy day?


That was from 2007 as well.

In 2007 the Conservatives approved of Labour's spending so much they wanted to match it.

Why did Osborne not say in 2007 that Labour were spending too much and leading the country into oblivion?
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Tories vow to match Labour spending.

If what you say is true, shouldn't the Tories have been decrying Labour's spending plans and urging them to put money aside for a rainy day?


That was from 2007 as well.

In 2007 the Conservatives approved of Labour's spending so much they wanted to match it.

Why did Osborne not say in 2007 that Labour were spending too much and leading the country into oblivion?
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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:11 pm  
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Do they say 'ha ha' a lot on the 'proper debating forums'?


{{snigger}} I know I shouldn't, but :lol: :lol:
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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:13 pm  
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That was from 2007 as well.

In 2007 the Conservatives approved of Labour's spending so much they wanted to match it.

Why did Osborne not say in 2007 that Labour were spending too much and leading the country into oblivion?


My point entirely. It's easy for them to sit there and blame Labour for the mess we're in, but if they'd been in power just before the global crash we'd have been in exactly the same position.
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Re: RBS bonuses - "Labour stitched us up" : Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:21 pm  
Rock God X wrote:
Do they say 'ha ha' a lot on the 'proper debating forums'?


Well indeed.
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Do they say 'ha ha' a lot on the 'proper debating forums'?


Well indeed.
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