You sir are cluess with regards to this, the whole lockdown has thrown a curveball to just about every sector, both public and private - people having to adapt differently- teachers

- Having planned teaching structures completely blown apart
-Re-planning for new structures but this changing sometimes daily
-Teaching pupils in school
-Having to try to teach the same lesson as the above online, or even over the phone where pupils don’t have the online facility
- Counselling pupils who are struggling with adapting/getting behind etc
-Currently planning for pupils to be in school - then due to one failing a test the whole class/ year having to isolate, so therefore having to completely arrange that learning back to an online facility within an hour

How many businesses have worked their nuts off over the last 12 months or so, but not achieved the same results as previous years - it’s the same principle with teaching, indeed probably putting more effort in than previously just to keep their heads above water

As I say your clueless, not just on this subject but your recent comments appear to have no concept of current reality

I agree, it shouldn't. So the repeated discrepancies in public vs private pay rises (public being repeatedly lower for the avoidance of doubt) since 2010 should be addressed rather than perpetuated.

Teachers are no different to most commercial environments - change was needed and quick.

Your opinion is valid but the schools had plenty of time to prepare there are plenty of on-line platforms to copy - most professional study is now done on line.

If all these kids are working to the same curriculum then surely you only need one version of the lesson that could have been put out on a dedicated BBC channel and the teachers could have then concentrated on supporting the children - not rocket science is it? How is that private schools were up and running almost instantly but state schools couldn't get their act together?

On line teaching is not a new concept - it really isn't - flipping from classroom to on line should be a very simply process.

Loads of businesses have adapted very quickly to a change in circumstances - my wife works a major PLC they have been working from home for over a year that's 60,000 people - it can be done it is just having the desire and skill set to achieve it. How many Zoom meetings have you done - I have done hundreds you have simply just got to make it happen.

These kids are the future - sadly they have been let down by a group of adults who simply didn't react positively enough

I would suggest the majority of workers in the private sector didn't see much of an increase from 2010 - minimum wage apart which is the same in the public sector - as you well know.

The statistics of wage increases prove otherwise.

The fact that you're even asking this question is embarrassing.

The differences shouldn't need explaining. Including but not limited to the levels of funding, the profile of students, the number of students per class and per teacher, the availability of appropriate kit at home, the availability and practicality of parental support.

Having gone through the private and seen the state sector these are two utterly separate worlds. It's mind blowing that you don't know that.

Once again you want to push your agenda - the reason is simple - a desire to ensure kids get educated. In the public schools if they don't perform they lose pupils - sadly there were no real desire in the state sector. No teacher in the state sector is going to either lose pay or jobs regardless of whether kids get educated guarantee if they were things would have been different.

The technology used in both cases was the same so the glacial pace of the state sector was a disgrace. Using Zoom/Teams was free and they could have used the BBC if they had actually got their act together. The unions were more interested in keeping schools closed than educating the kids.

It suits your agenda all things public all good - all things private bad.

Now is your chance to show us - no doubt Politico will have a playbook you can use?

Are you saying the minimum wage only applies to private sector or that the vast majority of public sector staff aren't impacted because their wages are well above the minimum.

20% of all workers are employed in retail - how many of them do you think are earning much above the minimum wage? Of the 5.3m workers in the public sector how many of them are on minimum wage?

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As you say, absolutely impossible to make a simple or direct comparison.
Traditionally, working in the public sector wasn't just as well paid but, it was always seen as the safer option - less risk of redundancy and not exposed to the same pressures as the private sector
and I would say that by and large this is still the case.
You can earn more outside the public sector but, the risks are greater.

As for pay settlements, the same probably applies.
Public sector gives a level of protection against redundancies and pay settlements will usually be below the average, which means doing better than some but, not as well as others.

With regard to NHS settlements, it's all a little bit ugly.
Due to the huge numbers working in the NHS ANY pay increase costs a huge amount of cash overall but, it always will and it's crazy to say that an extra 1% will cost "X" billion
It can and never will be any different and the reality is that if we need to have public sector services, we should be prepared to pay for them - end of story.