Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:50 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

All in all a complete disaster - Labour would have simply taken the easy option of awarding based on teacher assessments to keep all their unions mates sweet.

This is probably one of the strangest statements you have made. I and neither do you know what would have happened under a Labour government, you can of course surmise based on your Union bias. The problem is that the Conservatives are in charge and what they did despite the usual warnings caused a lot of confusion and hurt to students before resorting to what you believe would be the stance taken by Labour.
I suppose they made this decision not to support their union enemies but because it was the obvious outcome following their many failures. It is possible that a Labour government would have seen the problems coming several weeks ago and done things differently, they could not have done it worse.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:07 am  

[quote="wrencat1873"]I dont think you can say what Labour would have done, while they are in opposition ,all of this falls on Boris' shoulders.
The point here is that the party in charge have abjectly failed, on every aspect of the exam debacle.

I do agree that many exams could and should have taken place but, you can add that to the list of failings.

Where is Boris anyway.
Things are getting difficult again and he's gone AWOL.[/quote]

Hmmm,think maybe you can.
The Welsh Assembly is Labour controlled,but they went along with the same method.
As did the SNP controlled and UUP controlled assemblies of Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Seems to me all the parties got this one wrong.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:25 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

This is probably one of the strangest statements you have made. I and neither do you know what would have happened under a Labour government, you can of course surmise based on your Union bias. The problem is that the Conservatives are in charge and what they did despite the usual warnings caused a lot of confusion and hurt to students before resorting to what you believe would be the stance taken by Labour.
I suppose they made this decision not to support their union enemies but because it was the obvious outcome following their many failures. It is possible that a Labour government would have seen the problems coming several weeks ago and done things differently, they could not have done it worse.

Labour were calling for this outcome all along - so you know exactly what Labour would have done - what did Labour do in Wales?

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:41 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Labour were calling for this outcome all along - so you know exactly what Labour would have done - what did Labour do in Wales?

Kirsty William's, the Welsh Education Minister, is a Liberal Democrat.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:02 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Labour were calling for this outcome all along - so you know exactly what Labour would have done - what did Labour do in Wales?

Sorry Sal but, you are totally wrong.
There was a sequence of events that got us up to this point, right from virus arriving in the UK and through lockdown, school closures etc, etc.
Had Labour been at the helm, do you believe they would have taken exactly the same route ??
Some things they may have handled better and others, no doubt, worse.

However, the current mess falls firmly at the feet of Bojo.
His decisions, his style of leadership and of course him backing the beleaguered Education Minister.
To try and say things "would have been the same" is just plain daft and is just making excuses for this excuse of a government.
Bojo has everyone in his party nodding along, too afraid to question anything for fear of being booted into the long grass.

Also, you will perhaps recall me suggesting that blame for the handling of the covid crisis would e planted at the door of Public Health England, an organisation which has now been replaced.
How very convenient and responsibility for the mess now put at someone else's door. Spineless and two faced, lets see what happens next.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:21 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Sorry Sal but, you are totally wrong.
There was a sequence of events that got us up to this point, right from virus arriving in the UK and through lockdown, school closures etc, etc.
Had Labour been at the helm, do you believe they would have taken exactly the same route ??
Some things they may have handled better and others, no doubt, worse.

However, the current mess falls firmly at the feet of Bojo.
His decisions, his style of leadership and of course him backing the beleaguered Education Minister.
To try and say things "would have been the same" is just plain daft and is just making excuses for this excuse of a government.
Bojo has everyone in his party nodding along, too afraid to question anything for fear of being booted into the long grass.

Also, you will perhaps recall me suggesting that blame for the handling of the covid crisis would e planted at the door of Public Health England, an organisation which has now been replaced.
How very convenient and responsibility for the mess now put at someone else's door. Spineless and two faced, lets see what happens next.

With no credible opposition, another Conservative win at the next GE.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:30 pm  

IR80 wrote:

With no credible opposition, another Conservative win at the next GE.

That's the first thing that you've said which could be right

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:02 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

That's the first thing that you've said which could be right

That's the first thing you've said that is definitely wrong.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

Abraham Lincoln

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:04 pm  

silver2 wrote:

That's the first thing you've said that is definitely wrong.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

Abraham Lincoln

seems to me you have been fooled for decades by the outmoded socialist ideal.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:28 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Sorry Sal but, you are totally wrong.
There was a sequence of events that got us up to this point, right from virus arriving in the UK and through lockdown, school closures etc, etc.
Had Labour been at the helm, do you believe they would have taken exactly the same route ??
Some things they may have handled better and others, no doubt, worse.

However, the current mess falls firmly at the feet of Bojo.
His decisions, his style of leadership and of course him backing the beleaguered Education Minister.
To try and say things "would have been the same" is just plain daft and is just making excuses for this excuse of a government.
Bojo has everyone in his party nodding along, too afraid to question anything for fear of being booted into the long grass.

Also, you will perhaps recall me suggesting that blame for the handling of the covid crisis would e planted at the door of Public Health England, an organisation which has now been replaced.
How very convenient and responsibility for the mess now put at someone else's door. Spineless and two faced, lets see what happens next.

Had Labour been in charge lockdown would have been earlier and longer - their view is to dismantle the private sector - the more damage that can be done the better. Don't forget you had a shadow chancellor that was going to nationalise trains, utilities, broadband, generic drugs, education, supply of anything to the NHS etc.

Not a chance the exams would have happened under Labour - I am not saying the opening up of the schools would not have been handled better e.g. temporary facilities etc.

The teaching unions were well against any school opening apart from the one Starmer's kids go to no way Corbyn/McDonald would have challenged them - first job would have been relaxing union legislation including secondary picketing.

Would Labour have handled the rest of pandemic better than the Tories - I can't see how they could have done a worse job to be honest