Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:33 pm  

Interesting interview on 5 live on the way home tonight with an EU expert based in Europe. Saying how worried German politicians were about a no deal Brexit. And that no deal was a red line that can't be crossed as far as they are concerned. Think Boris insisting on no deal being an option and actually meaning it may actually bring about the very deal we can agree to. Especially as he is removing virtually all the remainers from his cabinet. At least they will be pulling in the same direction , hopefully.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:23 pm  

An advantage he has over May was that she was trying to deliver Brexit and hold the parliamentary party together.

He seems to be setting up for a General Election and then trying to put the party back together afterwards.

As for delivering Brexit. A deal built on the bones of May’s has the advantage of being quick to put together and being acceptable to the EU... but probably not Parliament. Something completely new... he’s given no indication of what that might be, time is short, and the EU are unlikely to take anything seriously without him being able to demonstrate the backing of parliament... and his majority is tiny and unstable. He knows this and I think he’s setting up to blame the EU for not agreeing a deal and parliament for blocking no deal.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:32 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

An advantage he has over May was that she was trying to deliver Brexit and hold the parliamentary party together.

He seems to be setting up for a General Election and then trying to put the party back together afterwards.

As for delivering Brexit. A deal built on the bones of May’s has the advantage of being quick to put together and being acceptable to the EU... but probably not Parliament. Something completely new... he’s given no indication of what that might be, time is short, and the EU are unlikely to take anything seriously without him being able to demonstrate the backing of parliament... and his majority is tiny and unstable. He knows this and I think he’s setting up to blame the EU for not agreeing a deal and parliament for blocking no deal.

Lets be honest, nobody could deliver leaving the EU, Boris will hve a few months in the limelight/spotlight/541t, call a GE, we'll end up with another coalition government and he'll get some role(s) in various businesses, he hardly needs the money.

Party politics, at the moment, is dead. Conservative/Labour, you cant put a cigarette paper between them on CURRENT policy.

As for democracy, it has never existed, I have worked for many years with governmemt departments (local and national), we think we vote for change, but all we vote for is a different head of the same snake.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:16 am  

IR80 wrote:

Conservative/Labour, you cant put a cigarette paper between them on CURRENT policy.

Where on earth are you getting that from?!

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:51 am  

bren2k wrote:

Where on earth are you getting that from?!

True enough, Labour have no policies.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:31 am  

IR80 wrote:

True enough, Labour have no policies.

Here we go again - change of user name, same old infantile bollox.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:26 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Lets be honest, nobody could deliver leaving the EU

I think they could have, if there had been some specifics on ‘... and do what/go where?’. However, with those mundane specifics and acknowledgements of reality, the Leave campaign would have probably fallen flat. Leave had something solid to attack, whereas there were no clear plans for leaving - making them hard to attack but even harder to implement.

Although it wasn’t to my taste, May’s deal addressed the realities and difficulties of the process. Unfortunately, the likes of Rees-Mogg and IDS want a swashbuckling political fantasy and so were unwilling to accept their prize. And the new plan is to adopt a can-do optimistic spirit, but with no more specifics or realism than in 2016.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:34 pm  

IR80 wrote:

True enough, Labour have no policies.

How can ANY Tory supporter say that
Boris, on the steps of no 10 yesterday, was coming up with all sorts of stuff, none of which is Tory policy, yet.
The none costed spend is something that would have even made Corbyn blush.

Sad or hilarious, you decide.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:18 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

And the new plan is to adopt a can-do optimistic spirit, but with no more specifics or realism than in 2016.

Which the EU have, entirely predictably, rejected in the last hour.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:26 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Which the EU have, entirely predictably, rejected in the last hour.

Of course they have. They are using brinkmanship.We have to hold our nerve like they've been doing. That is until they gave us another deadline when push came to shove. The Germans will not allow no deal they have too much to lose. What did you expect them to do give in after 24 hours of Boris?