Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:03 pm  

Should have told the Squaddie to mind his own chuffing business kirkstaller!

Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:38 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Show me where I have said that.

Why, can't you do it yourself? Oh, I forgot, you are far too busy to spend seconds looking back in a thread. Well, here it is:

Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:56 am
I did not seek to restrict the soldier’s freedom of speech, ...not one single poster has said that the soldiers should be deprived of their right to express their own views.

kirkstaller wrote:

I honestly don't see what you're getting at here. Can you develop that point?

"Honestly"? Give over. Oh, go on then, you said:

I certainly don't think it is appropriate to judge or criticise people who choose not to wear a poppy

Straightforward statement. Unambiguous. Judgment or criticism of non-poppy-wearers is, per se, inappropriate.

Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:00 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Why, can't you do it yourself? Oh, I forgot, you are far too busy to spend seconds looking back in a thread.

1. You accused me of saying it is entirely appropriate to judge or criticise:

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Now you are saying that it was entirely appropriate to judge or criticise

2. I asked you to show me where I had said that:

kirkstaller wrote:

Show me where I have said that.

3. After the usual sanctimonious twaddle, you supplied the following quote:

kirkstaller wrote:

I did not seek to restrict the soldier’s freedom of speech...not one single poster has said that the soldiers should be deprived of their right to express their own views.

Where in quote 3 did I say it was appropriate to judge non-poppy-wearers?

Straightforward statement. Unambiguous. Judgment or criticism of non-poppy-wearers is, per se, inappropriate.

Like I have said numerous times, I stand by that view. The conduct of the soldiers was not admirable.

By the way, you've dodged your explanation of your interpretation of 'out of order', again

Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:27 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Where ...did I say it was appropriate to judge non-poppy-wearers?

You said:

kirkstaller wrote:I did not seek to restrict the soldier’s freedom of speech...not one single poster has said that the soldiers should be deprived of their right to express their own views.

Either they can express their views, or they should not be able to.

Either they have freedom of speech (within the law), or they do not.

Therefore either it is appropriate for them to express those views, or it is inappropriate. It can't be both.

But I note that is indeed your explanation - you're now barmily claiming that they were within their rights to say what they did, but it was simultaneously also "inappropriate" for them to do so.

That is the final word on the subject as honestly the above cannot usefully have anything added to it.

Now, for some bizarre reason you keep asking me to explain what i meant by "out of order". This is another of the regular exanples of your irritating unwillingness to spend a few seconds looking back in the thread to answer your own question.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:54 am
Look, either they were “out of order” – ergo should not have done it, or else you disagree with them but respect their right to voice their views so they are NOT out of order.

In context, that is precisely what I said, and precisely what I meant. Which word/s are you struggling with?

Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:14 pm  

Isn't it an offence to try to collect for charity by doing anything more than standing passively with a collection box, or is that just a bye-law in some towns?

Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:57 am  

The whole thing is a mess. For example, "chuggers" don't need any sort of permit - as they are not collecting money, only direct debit comittments! Mugs Guide

The whole thing is a mess. For example, "chuggers" don't need any sort of permit - as they are not collecting money, only direct debit comittments! Mugs Guide

Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:33 pm  

I usually find that a "No thank you" and a smile normally works wonders, that and the ability to continue walking onwards...

Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:45 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

I usually find that a "No thank you" and a smile normally works wonders, that and the ability to continue walking onwards...

Ah yes but the reason not many do that is because then they'll think you're a twwat, and I reckon it is part of the majority genetic makeup not to be perceived as a twwat. It's a very odd thing, since why logically should you be at all bothered what random people who don't know you and who you'll never encounter again think of you? But I'm sure it's true for most folk. Many even put their posh voice on when taking a call from some totally anonymous person who hasn't a clue about you nor ever will.

Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:04 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Ah yes but the reason not many do that is because then they'll think you're a twwat, and I reckon it is part of the majority genetic makeup not to be perceived as a twwat. It's a very odd thing, since why logically should you be at all bothered what random people who don't know you and who you'll never encounter again think of you? But I'm sure it's true for most folk. Many even put their posh voice on when taking a call from some totally anonymous person who hasn't a clue about you nor ever will.

Precisely, even people that I personally know think I'm a twwat so I've nothing to lose.

Going off on a tangent (who, me?) I find that the words "please" and definitely the words "thank you" get you absolutely EVERYWHERE with customer service, whether buying or selling.

But then, I am a very charming man.

Re: Remembrance Day and the Poppy Mafia : Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:22 pm  

rover49 wrote:

Burning of things often incites others to violent actions, as seen on many occasions.

As does being a KR supporter