Re: The White Working Class : Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:18 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

For someone who has just popped up on this board you sure are cocky, I'd suggest winding your neck in.

Bloke talks a lot of sense. What's he done wrong?

Re: The White Working Class : Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:41 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

For someone who has just popped up on this board you sure are cocky, I'd suggest winding your neck in.

Popped up? I have been posting on "this board" (as quite a few of you are fond of reminding me of) for years. You can't have it both ways, to quote my dislike of the Communist Cap and then to cite me as a new poster.

Cocky? Nope. Just sure of my facts.

Now, any more inspirational comments you would like to share?

Frankly you offer nothing as far as I can see.

Re: The White Working Class : Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:44 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

As I said, try speaking to some of those who fought or lost relatives in WW2, then you'll get some idea of just what they did expect post-1945.

I have done. Members of my family to be exact.

Expect or not, the reality is that the world moved on, with or without British acknowledgement.

What did the people who fought for Rome expect? Or Greece? Or Persia? That they would rule the world forever?

Wake up.

Re: The White Working Class : Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:10 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

For someone who has just popped up on this board you sure are cocky, I'd suggest winding your neck in.

Why. Valid points are being made. Not the usual inane mockery.

Re: The White Working Class : Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:04 am  

Mintball wrote:

Yes dear. That's right.

Mintball. For someone that is clearly as highly intelligent as yourself, has a wonderful way with words and is incredibly articulate. I can't quite figure out why it is that you can come across on the odd occasion as being condescending to people who have a different opinion or disagree with you. You're better than that.

Re: The White Working Class : Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:09 pm  

Rooster Booster wrote:

You're better than that.

Are you sure? This is a consistent trait she shows. It smacks of desperation.

In fact, it is very common amongst certain groups eg so-called socialists. They are always against something but rarely can they state what the practicalities of their alternative society might be. When faced with a counter-view they resort to mockery or personal insult because ultimately their issue is an emotional one. They "know" they are right as a crutch against emotional insecurity.

Re: The White Working Class : Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:24 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

The world did owe them a fooking living, they spent six bloody years fighting for it

I suggest you speak to, or at least read contemoporary accounts written by some of the "British working class", who after fighting up to six years of a war, returned to find that little had ever changed. The "old money" still ruled like Victorian mill-owners and thought that the sun would never set on "our" empire. Ex-servicemen would just drop their weapons and pick up the picks, shovels, lathes etc that they'd left in 1939. While the women who were good enough to keep factories and farming working, while looking after families, would just go back to their kitchen sinks.

A re-alignment was needed, unfortunately it never went far enough.

Quite a few years ago I read a book about British forces returning home. One of them said that after fighting through Holland, the thing which stuck out for him and his unit was the standard of living there. All of the houses had indoor plumbing including bathrooms and toilets. No tin bath in front of the fire once a week and boiling pans and kettles to have it. For him that was the thing which stood out in his memory. Just a simple thing like that, not the might of Empire.
That's why Quentin Hogg said "We must give them reforms or they will give us revolution." So, Labour adopted a Liberal plan and made a welfare state. Not because they wanted to, but because they had to.

Re: The White Working Class : Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:04 am  

Dally wrote:

Are you sure? This is a consistent trait she shows. It smacks of desperation.

What he said.

Re: The White Working Class : Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:44 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Haha

Oh dear.

This is EXACTLY the attitude that meant that closing factories, mills etc invevitable.

Whilst the UK was wallowing in some kind of bubble, expecting the world to thank them for their efforts, the rest of the world was knuckling down and perfecting their industry.

Do you think the British were fighting in WWII for some kind of socialist revolution?

The British were fighting to ensure their survival. They were fighting against totalitarian dictatorship.

To suggest there ought to be some other expectation is laughable.

so to fight for 6 years and have no hope of reforms back home, no change in living standards, housing, health etc is normal in your opinion? you have a strange view of human behaviour!
do you not think that the people in power in this country 1939-1945 made no promises to the troops and the people back home about a bright new future where people had a chance of improvement when the war was over?
they may have been fighting to preserve a way of life but i suspect they had a vision of a better "blighty" than they ended up with.

Re: The White Working Class : Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:21 am  

SLIMply winning! wrote:

...they may have been fighting to preserve a way of life but i suspect they had a vision of a better "blighty" than they ended up with.

I don't necessarily agree with the last bit - the people who were in their adult years during WWII didn't do too badly from the welfare state that was created afterwards for their benefit, its the children and grandchildren of those people who are now expected to make their own arrangements despite (probably) contributing more to the cause during their lifetime.