Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:37 am  

tigertot wrote:

Those well-known Socialists the Institute for Fiscal Studies have consistently said there is no economic argument for Brexit. It is purely an issue of immigration.

That may well be the case. Seems a good enough reason to leave the eu.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:29 am  

Brexit was always about 3 things:
1. Our financial contribution to the EU and whether we could invest this money better at home
2. Who writes the laws
3. Who controls our borders

The Macro-economics of leaving was never high up on the list of issues - at the moment seems as much of an EU issue as it does a UK one.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:42 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Brexit was always about 3 things:
1. Our financial contribution to the EU and whether we could invest this money better at home
2. Who writes the laws
3. Who controls our borders

The Macro-economics of leaving was never high up on the list of issues - at the moment seems as much of an EU issue as it does a UK one.

Quite correct, if only the EU had not embarked on this crazy doctrine of political union we would not be in this situation.
The EU should have remained as per it’s original structure ,a free trade association of countries. If our lily liveried politicians had some courage we could create a marvellous trading base with the commonwealth countries. Many of these countries are rich in minerals. They are ripe for investment and most speak the English language.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:56 pm  

Backwardsman wrote:

Unlike Russia and several other fruit case socialist countries we believe and practice democracy.

Russia socialist? It is obscene, unrestrained capitalism.

Backwardsman wrote:

I note that in Sweden and Germany the influx of large numbers of economic migrants who don’t share our common beliefs are causing major problems

Really? I must tell my family to come home as they have not raised any concerns. Perhaps you can supply evidence I can send them?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:11 pm  

Backwoodsman wrote:

Quite correct, if only the EU had not embarked on this crazy doctrine of political union we would not be in this situation.
The EU should have remained as per it’s original structure ,a free trade association of countries. If our lily liveried politicians had some courage we could create a marvellous trading base with the commonwealth countries. Many of these countries are rich in minerals. They are ripe for investment and most speak the English language.

And how many of the commonwealth countries would be on "our side".
After Britain raped and plundered these countries it's personal gain, just how many of them want to give further help.

You really need to move with the times.

Britannia no longer rules the waves and most of the commonwealth nations are more than happy to "self govern" probably glad to see the back of being part of "the empire".

China is already investing heavily in some of the African countries and we certainly wont be at the front of the queue.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:49 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Russia socialist? It is obscene, unrestrained capitalism.

Really? I must tell my family to come home as they have not raised any concerns. Perhaps you can supply evidence I can send them?

Russia unrestrained capitalism, I presume you are joking. Supply of evidence, bbc news night this week discussing no go areas. Swedish ambulance medic saying certain areas they have to have a police presence to attend calls.
Germany New Year’s Eve celebrations marred by sexual assaults by immigrant youths. All reported by bbc and broad sheet newspapers. I presume you keep up with current affairs and have not been marooned on a desert island . Unless you think the bbc is faking all this.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:12 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

And how many of the commonwealth countries would be on "our side".
After Britain raped and plundered these countries it's personal gain, just how many of them want to give further help.

You really need to move with the times.

Britannia no longer rules the waves and most of the commonwealth nations are more than happy to "self govern" probably glad to see the back of being part of "the empire".

China is already investing heavily in some of the African countries and we certainly wont be at the front of the queue.

China investing in these countries, that’s my point we should be doing that. China will certainly require a return on its investment. Nothing wrong with that, or would you class that as raping and pillaging. Possibly you may describe our building the civil service and legal system in India as raping and pillaging.Not certain about Britannia rules the waves comes into it, nor the reference to self government. I merely said we should increase our efforts to trade with thes countries. I presume the next thing you will come up is the Emily Thornberry (lady nugee) idea to apologise to these countries. Note I have respectfully made note of her well earned title. You must always acknowledge the socialist trend of sneering at the upper class establishment, then immediately accepting a peerage. Step forward Prescott ,mandelson, kinnock and take a bow.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:16 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

And how many of the commonwealth countries would be on "our side".
After Britain raped and plundered these countries it's personal gain, just how many of them want to give further help.

You really need to move with the times.

Britannia no longer rules the waves and most of the commonwealth nations are more than happy to "self govern" probably glad to see the back of being part of "the empire".

China is already investing heavily in some of the African countries and we certainly wont be at the front of the queue.

Did the second world war prevent Germany selling product into Poland/France/Austria etc?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:58 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Did the second world war prevent Germany selling product into Poland/France/Austria etc?

debating with wrencat is akin to debating with my pussy cat, it makes a lot of noise, licks itself and then vomits!

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:50 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Really? I must tell my family to come home as they have not raised any concerns. Perhaps you can supply evidence I can send them?

I work for a very large German company, have around 40 German colleagues in the UK and travel there very regularly. Pretty much every German colleague here in the UK is disgusted with Merkel. The problem is (and I've mentioned this before), that they are too stubborn and/or afraid of the unknown to vote anyone else in. My closest German friend here actually said, "I despise Merkel and she's ruining our country...but I will probably vote for her as I don't know who else to vote for. I'm too German in that way." Plenty of them have even said they would like out of the EU.

I personally know of several British/multinational companies who have instructed their female staff not to travel by train in Germany. They are ordered to fly or hire a car. Several of those companies have seen attacks and/or harassment on female workers by immigrants around the rail network.

Rapidly increasing crime rates are being directly attributed to rising immigrant populations in many areas, as are sexual attacks (the New Year's Eve attacks being the most infamous). Towns that invited immigrants in enormous numbers are seeing huge problems. A massive influx of predominantly young men with hugely different cultural and religious values is turning bad, as anyone with half a brain could have foreseen.

Anyone who thinks immigrants aren't bringing massive problems to Germany are as deluded as the Swedish authorities, who think that by fiddling the numbers the problems will go away. More utterly ridiculous blinkered liberal thinking which has got Europe into this irreversible quagmire.