Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:26 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Johnson deal is the same with one exception, May would not condone a border in Ireland unfortunately Johnson is quite happy to do so and even lie about its impact.
I note Johnson in lieu of the interview with Andrew Neil he is to be interviewed by Philip Schofield.

As I said he inherited a bag of spanners and he had a parliament that was working against him - his own fault by the way.

Shows he is a bit cleverer than Corbyn then - let's face it Neil's sole purpose is to make everyone look bad no matter who.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:34 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

As I said he inherited a bag of spanners and he had a parliament that was working against him - his own fault by the way.

Shows he is a bit cleverer than Corbyn then - let's face it Neil's sole purpose is to make everyone look bad no matter who.

Brexit is "a bag of spanners", trying to deliver the impossible (leaving the EU & Customs union and a free trade agreement, whilst not driving a bus through the good Friday agreement etc, etc) and having failed to meet all of the criteria, N. Ireland, due to it's low population numbers and the minimal damage to Tory aspirations, has been thrown under the bus - Johnson is still in denial about the need for any customs checks, despite the fact that there is a direct border with Eire (the EU) - allowing people and goods to move "freely" in that part of the UK.
As I've already said, the free trade deal wont get through and we will end up leaving with no deal, which WILL put the skids under all of Johnsons spending pledges.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:54 pm  

At least he will have secured blue passports and Freeports when we leave.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:41 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

just remind me how many Labour MPs voted against it, they had vowed to support the result of the referendum?

This is a popular lie with the right wing media. In Labours 2017 manifesto they said they would support a Brexit that offered the benefits of remaining in the CU and the SM. So, as Johnsons deal didnt provide those benefits, they were quite within their rights to reject it.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:33 am  

silver2 wrote:

This is a popular lie with the right wing media. In Labours 2017 manifesto they said they would support a Brexit that offered the benefits of remaining in the CU and the SM. So, as Johnsons deal didnt provide those benefits, they were quite within their rights to reject it.

You'll never get our resident Tories to admit that the failure to get the Brexit deals through was anything other than their own fault. The opposition has no responsibility to get a relatively hard Brexit like the May deal through - it went against their 2017 manifesto and doesn't meet their own base requirements.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:15 am  

Which Donal Trump do we believe ?
"Everything is on the table"
or
"Wouldn't want the NHS if it was handed over on a silver platter"

Let's just think about this one for a nano second

The Tory press have lapped up his new quote though and it's front page news in all of the right wing press.
I wonder if Boris has now suggested removing "Pharma" from the future trade agreement - I dont think so.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:21 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

If Johnson has an hour with Andrew Neil, he will probably disappear in a pile of sweat and bluster.
How can such a coward be elected leader of anything.

A good time Charlie shouldn't be anywhere near the helm, what will he do when Trump asks him to bend over

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:22 am  

silver2 wrote:

This is a popular lie with the right wing media. In Labours 2017 manifesto they said they would support a Brexit that offered the benefits of remaining in the CU and the SM. So, as Johnsons deal didnt provide those benefits, they were quite within their rights to reject it.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:26 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

When Johnson looks bad in an LBC interview with Nick Ferrari, you know he's got nothing but a wing and a prayer.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:39 am  

silver2 wrote:

This is a popular lie with the right wing media. In Labours 2017 manifesto they said they would support a Brexit that offered the benefits of remaining in the CU and the SM. So, as Johnsons deal didnt provide those benefits, they were quite within their rights to reject it.

Oh come on. Remaining in The CU and SM isn't leaving the EU. Even you and Corbyn must realise that. So therefore, no they didn't support leaving under any reasonable circumstances