Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:51 pm  

I'm beginning to think it might be necessary for Labour to elect someone like Corbyn and let him succeed or fail.

Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:15 pm  

Dally wrote:

The problem with Labour as I have been saying for along time is they need to decide what they stand for, who they represent and what policies they will adopt. The fact that they cannot or will not say what they are for in simple, easily understood tells the electorate all they need know - ie the parliamentary Labour party are a self-serving rabble.

All any Labour Party member needs to do is look at the back of their membership card. The very first statement reads: "The Labour Party is a democratic, socialist party"

If the have any problem with democracy or socialism, then I'd suggest they chose the wrong party.

If Corbyn is elected leaqder (which I now sincerely hope he is), then I look forward to his first PMQs. I have a strong feeling that he won't be engaging in the usual Punch & Judy show that we have seen for decades. His naturally quiet demeanour will show Camoron and his baying mob up for the hooray Henrys that they truly are

Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:17 pm  

Lord Elpers wrote:

even more ridiculous .

Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:55 am  

cod'ead wrote:

If Corbyn is elected leaqder (which I now sincerely hope he is), then I look forward to his first PMQs. I have a strong feeling that he won't be engaging in the usual Punch & Judy show that we have seen for decades. His naturally quiet demeanour will show Camoron and his baying mob up for the hooray Henrys that they truly are

Thats the bit that I am hoping too, the very first thing he says at the very first PMQ should be "I will not shout, I will not interrupt you when you are speaking but if you want to hear what I have to say as part of our democratic process then you need to sit down and STFU", then he sits down and waits for the reaction - there is no response to that which will NOT make the opposition look like the posh boys tag that Cameron so hates, other than to do what he suggests - and that style needs to be followed constantly, he is miked up anyway and anything he says is recorded in Hansard so if the baying mob are really interested in any for of democracy then they'll have to listen or read up on it later.

Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:34 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Thats the bit that I am hoping too, the very first thing he says at the very first PMQ should be "I will not shout, I will not interrupt you when you are speaking but if you want to hear what I have to say as part of our democratic process then you need to sit down and STFU", then he sits down and waits for the reaction - there is no response to that which will NOT make the opposition look like the posh boys tag that Cameron so hates, other than to do what he suggests - and that style needs to be followed constantly, he is miked up anyway and anything he says is recorded in Hansard so if the baying mob are really interested in any for of democracy then they'll have to listen or read up on it later.

Who reads Hansard?

The baying mob is made up of both sides of the House. The Labour MPs expect their guy to put up a fight, give the Tory a kicking. Will Corbyn have the stomach to consistently adopt that style when week after week he sits down to stony silence from the MPs behind him?

Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:26 am  

I too hope Corbyn becomes leader of the Labour Party and also will look forward to PMQ's when the PM responds to Comrade Corbyn. It will be fascinating to learn if Comrade Corbyn has the backing of his party to pursue his policy to pull out of NATO and the EU and then there will be so much fun as we learn of how quickly the Comrade's economic policies plan to ruin the country.

Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:34 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

Who reads Hansard?

The baying mob is made up of both sides of the House. The Labour MPs expect their guy to put up a fight, give the Tory a kicking. Will Corbyn have the stomach to consistently adopt that style when week after week he sits down to stony silence from the MPs behind him?

Thats the whole point, there should be no baying mob.

Have you ever sat in a company board room where directors meet to discuss important issues that affect the well being of the company and all of its employees and customers ?

How long do you think your directorship would last if every time anyone else opened their mouths to speak, you tried to shout them down, I'd give you ten minutes before you're stood on the street outside with a box full of photographs from your desk and wondering how you're going to get home without the company car tonight.

Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:17 pm  

Lord Elpers wrote:

yet even more .

Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:16 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Thats the whole point, there should be no baying mob.

Have you ever sat in a company board room where directors meet to discuss important issues that affect the well being of the company and all of its employees and customers ?

How long do you think your directorship would last if every time anyone else opened their mouths to speak, you tried to shout them down, I'd give you ten minutes before you're stood on the street outside with a box full of photographs from your desk and wondering how you're going to get home without the company car tonight.

I'm not disputing any of that. But the idea that Corbyn is going to change it is fanciful.

Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:36 am  

This document is well worth a read, it's a report authored by 7 Labour candidates who failed to win key marginals at the general election. It draws on their first hand experiences of canvassing and campaigning in those marginals and is quite an honest account of Labour's failings in their campaign. It makes some excellent points such as there are some issues which Labour wouldn't even acknowledge existed never mind have a conversation about....... http://www.fabians.org.uk/wp-content/up ... -seats.pdf

This document is well worth a read, it's a report authored by 7 Labour candidates who failed to win key marginals at the general election. It draws on their first hand experiences of canvassing and campaigning in those marginals and is quite an honest account of Labour's failings in their campaign. It makes some excellent points such as there are some issues which Labour wouldn't even acknowledge existed never mind have a conversation about....... http://www.fabians.org.uk/wp-content/up ... -seats.pdf