Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:54 am  

Backwoodsman wrote:

I have paid more than my fair share of tax in this country.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. When you drive past the homeless, the beggars, those with mental problems roaming the streets, you can contemptuously sneer at them, possibly stopping to swat them with your copy of the Daily Mail. Or you could contemplate the tax you avoided paying as self employed - the car, parts of the home, capital allowances, loans, paying your partner just below the tax threshold despite them not doing a jot, the partner's car, pensions, paying dividends at the best time of the year, business entertainment, business travel.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:55 am  

Amber Rudd just pulled off a massive "I'm the next tory leader" performance. The tories are that cold blooded in their inside machinations that they will already be eyeing May's successor and Rudd just put down her marker!

Isn't she lined up for the chancellors slot when Hammond gets the bullet next week??

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:59 am  

MO wrote

Everyone keeps talking about high earners paying their "fair share" and pay more tax,but I'm yet to hear a valid reason(s) as to why it's supposedly fair?

If I've gone to college, then university, then got my masters degree, got a job, worked up the ladder for 15 years whist paying off my student debt, worked hard to earn myself a few promotions in that time - why should I have to start paying 45p in every pound that I earn over £80k?

What about that is fair, just because some lazy lay about can't be bothered to get a better paid job than stocking shelves at the local supermarket, if they bother to get a job at all and just live off the state?

What is stopping them putting the effort into life that I have?

That's a great post only lost on those who haven't achieved. Reinventing yourself through education is not only available to us all at any stage of life but equally affordable.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:04 am  

wire-quin wrote:

Reinventing yourself through education is not only available to us all at any stage of life but equally affordable.

I suggest you take up the opportunity then, you might learn something.

[TimperleySaint]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:07 am  

wire-quin wrote:

MO wrote That's a great post only lost on those who haven't achieved. Reinventing yourself through education is not only available to us all at any stage of life but equally affordable.

It's not all about education, I was just making a point about my experience - some people just aren't built for long term further education. I have friends though that didn't go to uni, and went straight into work at 16 - two have their own businesses and one did some evening college courses once she'd be working for a few years and could afford it, and is now a qualified accountant.

My point is that there are ways to get it if you want it - but I don't think enough people in this country do want it, and want the high earners to pay for them either way!

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:49 am  

Mike Oxlong wrote:

It's not all about education, I was just making a point about my experience - some people just aren't built for long term further education. I have friends though that didn't go to uni, and went straight into work at 16 - two have their own businesses and one did some evening college courses once she'd be working for a few years and could afford it, and is now a qualified accountant.

My point is that there are ways to get it if you want it - but I don't think enough people in this country do want it, and want the high earners to pay for them either way!

From my year at school, of c250 kids, only 2 went straight to Uni. There was no ambition or expectation of the others, myself included. Since leaving, several have progressed to further or higher education & many have become relatively successful. I doubt many of those would now follow that FE/HE route due to cost, but that is another argument. I am not aware of any of those 250 ever suggesting that the rich should pay for them, just their fair share.

[TimperleySaint]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:57 am  

tigertot wrote:

From my year at school, of c250 kids, only 2 went straight to Uni. There was no ambition or expectation of the others, myself included. Since leaving, several have progressed to further or higher education & many have become relatively successful. I doubt many of those would now follow that FE/HE route due to cost, but that is another argument. I am not aware of any of those 250 ever suggesting that the rich should pay for them, just their fair share.

What is their fair share though? And why is it fair? Just because I've managed to get myself into a better position in life (as do others) why does that mean I have to contribute more in tax? I still do the same number of hours and same amount of work in a week, yet I bring home less money because the government deem it so??

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:05 am  

We all benefit from paying tax.

[TimperleySaint]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:11 am  

Bullseye wrote:

We all benefit from paying tax.

I agree, but why should I have to pay more tax because I earn more money??

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:13 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

As with the Cliff Richard debacle SYP do not seem to have learnt any lessons - they may talk the talk but their recent actions suggest they haven't learnt a thing

No you misunderstand my point. Read it again.

I was talking about learning the lessons from dealing with the incident at Hillsborough.