Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:02 pm  

crumpledshorts wrote: No high horse, a statement of simple facts. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... ed-old-an/ Just because it is the higher percentage does not mean all though does it. Far from it TBH, so it doesn't make your statement fact at all. The disregard of the working classes and elderly is precisely why we have the situation we do today.

crumpledshorts wrote: No high horse, a statement of simple facts. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... ed-old-an/ Just because it is the higher percentage does not mean all though does it. Far from it TBH, so it doesn't make your statement fact at all. The disregard of the working classes and elderly is precisely why we have the situation we do today.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:07 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Just because it is the higher percentage does not mean all though does it. Far from it TBH, so it doesn't make your statement fact at all. The disregard of the working classes and elderly is precisely why we have the situation we do today.

So because the leave vote was a higher percentage (just) doesn't make that fact then? Great, we can have another referendum and then have some sensible rules about voting age.

The people who voted out will feel no effects by the time it comes to change.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:11 pm  

crumpledshorts wrote:

So because the leave vote was a higher percentage (just) doesn't make that fact then? Great, we can have another referendum and then have some sensible rules about voting age.

The people who voted out will feel no effects by the time it comes to change.

Yes lets just keep having referendums until the remain side gets the result they want.

Not gonna happen pal, keep wishing...

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:28 pm  

Wasn't my vote meant to be secret, how do they know who voted what, calculated guess work?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:33 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Yes lets just keep having referendums until the remain side gets the result they want.

Not gonna happen pal, keep wishing...

As it was an advisory referendum there's no constitutional reason why it should be valid, also MP's and the Lords can vote it out, which they should.

We'll see what actually happens in 10 years or so.

And I am no "pal" of yours.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:51 pm  

johnson or may for the next leader?

out of the two id go for johnson, he at least was on the leavers side and prefer someone who was in favour of it leading the negotiations

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:53 pm  

IMO I think there isn't a politician out there other than Farage who would trigger article 50 right now. It would be political suicide to do so and who would take a gamble on their career? Cameron has said he wont do it and the official leave campaign people have said there is no rush. Whoever succeeds Cameron has to either trigger it and send the economy into probably a depression or risk the wrath of the leave voters and not trigger it at all. Either way the new Prime Minister is between a rock and a hard place. Maybe a third option would be to trigger another referendum. This would while enraging leave supporters give them a bit of time to assess the situation properly. However this may also p**s off the EU as they would want some stability.

As I said, rock and hard place.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:02 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Yes lets just keep having referendums until the remain side gets the result they want.

Not gonna happen pal, keep wishing...

Indeed. We're leaving.*

However, the direction we leave hasn't been determined yet and will be subject to democratic influences. Very possibly a general election in the near future, or at least the prospect of one in ~4 years. My preference is one soon, so whoever is negotiating has had their plan subjected to democratic scrutiny. Nobody currently has a mandate for Brexit light and nobody has a mandate for a Full English ClusterFarage.

Pretty much anything could happen. My best guess is that we'll get Brexit light, drawing on support from the significant remain minority, and moderate leavers. The core Leave voter is likely in for a disappointment, if they had hopes for doing much beyond reminding the country they're still here and they're unhappy.

*One minor caveat to that. If the lib dems campaign on a pro-EU platform, make even a limited comeback and hold the balance of power, they could give a not-that-keen-on-Brexit Conservative or Labour party, a way of... exploring all the options. A lot of fury would be directed at the lib dems in this scenario, but not for the most part by people who might vote for them in any case.

Basically, the democratic will of the people should not be overturned or amended - unless by the democratic will of the people. And that doesn't require a second referendum.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:43 pm  

crumpledshorts wrote:

As it was an advisory referendum there's no constitutional reason why it should be valid, also MP's and the Lords can vote it out, which they should.

We'll see what actually happens in 10 years or so.

And I am no "pal" of yours.

It should be valid because it is 'a once in a generation Vote'...'no going back' which is what we were told. Anyone with the balls to veto that now will create mayhem, but we will see.

oh dear, please be my friend

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:54 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

It should be valid because it is 'a once in a generation Vote'...'no going back' which is what we were told. Anyone with the balls to veto that now will create mayhem, but we will see.

oh dear, please be my friend

Why would I be friends with a racist xenophobe?