Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:12 am  

The Video Ref wrote:

A brilliant article in The Independent today. It basically said that some in the public sector have completely unrealistic expectations. The make up around 1/5 of the workforce and are generally paid better than people with similar qualifications in the private sector.

Myth.

People working in the public sector simply want their local authority to honour the terms and conditions that were written into their contracts, hardly unrealistic.

Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:34 am  

Big Graeme wrote:

Oh the irony.

Translation - I didn't read it properly just jumped in but I am not big enough to admit it - so I'll try some diversion tactics!!

I am a mod after all!!

Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:40 am  

cod'ead wrote:

I have no idea what you're on about now but if it makes you happy, my car gets regular breaks, it gets a good rest every night too.

You know exactly what I am talking about

Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:58 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Translation - I didn't read it properly just jumped in but I am not big enough to admit it - so I'll try some diversion tactics!!

I am a mod after all!!

You still haven't re-read what you typed have you.

Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:19 am  

He has also still to acknowledge a single instance - and by god, it's a rapidly rising number - where he's posted utter rubbish because his knee-jerk exactions mean he can't read properly or he's just plain wrong.

[tb]

Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:54 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Translation - I didn't read it properly just jumped in but I am not big enough to admit it - so I'll try some diversion tactics!!

I am a mod after all!!

I'm puzzled by your fixation with posters' modding or admin roles on this site, when they're acting as contributors to a discussion, not mods.


It's suggestive of something, just not sure what …

[tb]

Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:06 am  

The Video Ref wrote:

Very much the same thing is about to happen to the armed forces. Pensions will be based on career average rather than final salary. Unsurprisingly, no-one is planning to strike, partly because they are Crown servants and can't.

A brilliant article in The Independent today. It basically said that some in the public sector have completely unrealistic expectations. The make up around 1/5 of the workforce and are generally paid better than people with similar qualifications in the private sector.

If anybody really wrote that in the Indy, they deserve sacking for incompetence. Average salary across the public sector is higher than average salary across the private sector, true.

But …

this is because the private sector contains many jobs on minimum wage alone, the public sector doesn't; many low paid jobs (such as cleaning) have been moved from the public sector to the private sector, with obvious effects on the two averages; public services include a higher proportion of gruduate and professional-qualification jobs than the private sector.

But, if compare like for like (ie people with similar qualifications) private sector employment invariably pays more.

The Video Ref wrote:

They get better terms and conditions and a pension that those in the private sector would have to pay around 37% of their salary to match. If we are all in this together, then so is the public sector.

Ah … I see what you've done: collective pension schemes are more cost effective than personal defined contribution pension plans, where a larger proportion of your money goes to the fund managers in fees and your pension is not paid by any pension scheme, but relies on buying an annuity at the time you retire - which is the more expensive option.

So you've compared apples and chair legs and are pretending you can draw some sort of valid conclusion.

Essentially, as with your OP, your talkng b*llks again.

Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:25 am  

tb wrote: If anybody really wrote that in the Indy, they deserve sacking for incompetence. It's Christina Patterson mate. As a former director of the Poetry Society, and literary programmer at London's Southbank Centre, surely she's ideally placed to give an insight into the public/private sector argument. I must be honest, when I first read VR's post, I fully expected to find that the authur in question was Nigel's lad, Dominic Lawson.

tb wrote: If anybody really wrote that in the Indy, they deserve sacking for incompetence. It's Christina Patterson mate. As a former director of the Poetry Society, and literary programmer at London's Southbank Centre, surely she's ideally placed to give an insight into the public/private sector argument. I must be honest, when I first read VR's post, I fully expected to find that the authur in question was Nigel's lad, Dominic Lawson.

[tb]

Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:58 am  

cod'ead wrote: It's Christina Patterson mate. As a former director of the Poetry Society, and literary programmer at London's Southbank Centre, surely she's ideally placed to give an insight into the public/private sector argument. I must be honest, when I first read VR's post, I fully expected to find that the authur in question was Nigel's lad, Dominic Lawson. Ah … an article who's opening sentence would have us believe that Gordon Brown was still chancellor in the first four months of 2010. Oh yes, there's something to rely on when constructing and argument …

cod'ead wrote: It's Christina Patterson mate. As a former director of the Poetry Society, and literary programmer at London's Southbank Centre, surely she's ideally placed to give an insight into the public/private sector argument. I must be honest, when I first read VR's post, I fully expected to find that the authur in question was Nigel's lad, Dominic Lawson. Ah … an article who's opening sentence would have us believe that Gordon Brown was still chancellor in the first four months of 2010. Oh yes, there's something to rely on when constructing and argument …

Re: Strikes Revisited : Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:12 pm  

The Video Ref wrote:

A brilliant article in The Independent today. It basically said that some in the public sector have completely unrealistic expectations.

TBH, some in the private sector have completely unrealistic expectations (and understanding) of the public sector too