Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 9:28 am  

Well boohoo for him,

Lets hope for Labours sake he is a one off!!

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 10:19 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Yes. Yes, that is exactly what I'd say.

A realtive, now deceased, a couple of years back had a group of men smashing down her door, wanting to beat up her son, at 3 a.m. The PC who arrived at 8.30 am said it was his first job on shift, and was sorry, but there had been nobody available any earlier.

I'm not sure what evolution of policing methods would reduce the number of officers needed to respond to a group of men breaking down doors in the wee small hours, but perhaps you could explain it to me. Drones fitted with AMRAAMs maybe?

This is not a case of bad luck. Most people would be truly shocked to know how few police are actually on duty in their area at night.

The breaking down of doors would only have stopped if there was a Police officer stationed outside the actual door - having policemen on the streets isn't going to stop a targeted attack of that nature - as well you know

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 10:27 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The breaking down of doors would only have stopped if there was a Police officer stationed outside the actual door - having policemen on the streets isn't going to stop a targeted attack of that nature - as well you know

Do you think more officers would enable a quicker response to an incident such as this or, would increased numbers of officers slow down the response ?

They (the police) dont even come out to break in's anymore, unless someone has been injured/assaulted.
This may be why reported crime is falling in some areas, as there is little point in reporting it !

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 11:14 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Do you think more officers would enable a quicker response to an incident such as this or, would increased numbers of officers slow down the response ?

They (the police) dont even come out to break in's anymore, unless someone has been injured/assaulted.
This may be why reported crime is falling in some areas, as there is little point in reporting it !

10 days after a break in at my place I'm still waiting for the police to come and take a statement. The night CID came round and SOCO came to examine the next morning, but nothing since. I've been given the name of the officer, but haven't had any contact, not even "sorry, we're all on duty in the city centre because of the terror alert". Just silence.

I'd happily pay a bit more tax to get numbers back up to deal with stuff like this properly. The scrotes know they'll never get caught and will just carry on doing what they're doing. Whatever happened to the party of law and order?

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 11:22 am  

Chris28 wrote:

10 days after a break in at my place I'm still waiting for the police to come and take a statement. The night CID came round and SOCO came to examine the next morning, but nothing since. I've been given the name of the officer, but haven't had any contact, not even "sorry, we're all on duty in the city centre because of the terror alert". Just silence.

I'd happily pay a bit more tax to get numbers back up to deal with stuff like this properly. The scrotes know they'll never get caught and will just carry on doing what they're doing. Whatever happened to the party of law and order?

Not wishing to defend the lack of police numbers but, in the circumstances, you would expect priority to be given to the terrorist incident.
Getting broken into is not pleasant but, the reality is that they dont often catch the thieves, unless they are particularly stupid and I think even you would want them to deal with the terror threat first ?

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 11:42 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Not wishing to defend the lack of police numbers but, in the circumstances, you would expect priority to be given to the terrorist incident.
Getting broken into is not pleasant but, the reality is that they dont often catch the thieves, unless they are particularly stupid and I think even you would want them to deal with the terror threat first ?

Absolutely, and I wasn't meaning I should take priority. However, if there were more police around I could give my statement, let the insurance deal with it all and move on. The lack of contact is the thing that's bugging me most, even though I understand why.

We had two cars taken as well as other stuff, but haven't been updated on whether they've been seen on the ANPR cameras so we're completely in the dark.

Generally the lack of contact isn't acceptable but I fully accept priorities are elsewhere. If thousands of coppers hadn't been made redundant, maybe I wouldn't be "complaining"

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 11:44 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Do you think more officers would enable a quicker response to an incident such as this or, would increased numbers of officers slow down the response?

Of course not - the police are scaremongering and just need to modernise their methods. Maybe they could send a drone round when you've been burgled - take a few pictures, record your statement, spit out a crime number - bingo, your insurance claim is underway, and the few coppers who remain in a job can focus on the real criminals.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 4:13 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Of course not - the police are scaremongering and just need to modernise their methods. Maybe they could send a drone round when you've been burgled - take a few pictures, record your statement, spit out a crime number - bingo, your insurance claim is underway, and the few coppers who remain in a job can focus on the real criminals.

Of course you could employ a lot me police officers so everyone can get their insurance claims settled earlier!!

Perhaps if we spent the money tackling the root cause of so many robberies then we wouldn't actually need so many note taking form filling guys/girls in blue uniforms. Perhaps if the elephant in the room i.e. drugs were tackled using an enlightened approach then domestic crime might actually drop?

Of course its so much better to take the Labour approach throw loads of money at it - that will sort it. Pity they struggle with how much it will cost

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 7:28 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Of course you could employ a lot me police officers so everyone can get their insurance claims settled earlier!!

Perhaps if we spent the money tackling the root cause of so many robberies then we wouldn't actually need so many note taking form filling guys/girls in blue uniforms. Perhaps if the elephant in the room i.e. drugs were tackled using an enlightened approach then domestic crime might actually drop?

Of course its so much better to take the Labour approach throw loads of money at it - that will sort it. Pity they struggle with how much it will cost

The bigger problem for Labour will be realising the actual amount of cash that they may have calculated.
ALL Businesses will find ways to become more "tax efficient", it's part of running a business.
They may reduce their profits by investing in capital, amending their pay structures, paying higher contributions into pension funds etc, etc.
What they wont do is, just roll over and accept a higher tax burden and in the case of small businesses, why should they, when the big boys are paying rock all.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 6:49 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The bigger problem for Labour will be realising the actual amount of cash that they may have calculated.
ALL Businesses will find ways to become more "tax efficient", it's part of running a business.
They may reduce their profits by investing in capital, amending their pay structures, paying higher contributions into pension funds etc, etc.
What they wont do is, just roll over and accept a higher tax burden and in the case of small businesses, why should they, when the big boys are paying rock all.

I agree they will get some of the money year 1 but after that not a chance. The idea about reducing taxation % levels was to increase the overall tax take which does appear to be happening. Perhaps if more focus was put on the take itself rather than the headline numbers then that would give a more balanced approach.

It is like judging the NHS on the performance of A&E it gives a distorted view of the service.