Re: The General Election Thread : Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:11 pm  

The goal is the Thirdworldisation of the Britain with employees begging for jobs offering similar terms and conditions as you'd find in one of Russell Brand's sweatshops.

I'd laugh if it weren't so tragic. Sheeple meekly sitting by watching rights and benefits their forefathers literally gave their blood to win trickle away - forever lost. Do people seriously believe they'll see them return once we fight our way out of debt? But then if you're dumb enough to think debt is some kind of statistical irregularity in markets rather than an economic weapon there's no point in further discussion.

Until people stop watching TV, think for themselves and take forceful action they deserve everything they get.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:33 am  

shinymcshine wrote:

I'd be thoroughly embarassed, as a government, to talk about more welfare cuts when the current situation has already led to a neccessity for foodbanks.

Shame on them.

They're more interested in getting dividends for shareholders, than sorting out the root cause of any social problems.

There was a necessity for foodbanks way before the nasty, nasty Tories got into power. Still, the simple solution would be to ban them completely then we'll go back to the halycon days of the early 2000's when everyone had enough money to spend on food, booze and ciggies.
Which other charities would you also like to see banned? Macmillan, perhaps.

Why not simply type WAAAAAAHHHHH....Tories, it'll save time.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:36 am  

Mugwump wrote:

The goal is the Thirdworldisation of the Britain with employees begging for jobs offering similar terms and conditions as you'd find in one of Russell Brand's sweatshops.

I'd laugh if it weren't so tragic. Sheeple meekly sitting by watching rights and benefits their forefathers literally gave their blood to win trickle away - forever lost. Do people seriously believe they'll see them return once we fight our way out of debt? But then if you're dumb enough to think debt is some kind of statistical irregularity in markets rather than an economic weapon there's no point in further discussion.

Until people stop watching TV, think for themselves and take forceful action they deserve everything they get.

People will stop watching TV when this Thirdworldisation eventually happens. Carry on taking the pills.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:45 am  

BobbyD wrote:

There was a necessity for foodbanks way before the nasty, nasty Tories got into power. Still, the simple solution would be to ban them completely then we'll go back to the halycon days of the early 2000's when everyone had enough money to spend on food, booze and ciggies.
Which other charities would you also like to see banned? Macmillan, perhaps.

What is your opinion of foodbanks ?

Are they a necessary charitable effort in emergency situations, or do you believe that they are all politically motivated hence the reason why they have multiplied several fold under the current incumbents ?

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:49 am  

BobbyD wrote: There was a necessity for foodbanks way before the nasty, nasty Tories got into power. Still, the simple solution would be to ban them completely then we'll go back to the halycon days of the early 2000's when everyone had enough money to spend on food, booze and ciggies. Which other charities would you also like to see banned? Macmillan, perhaps. Why not simply type WAAAAAAHHHHH....Tories, it'll save time. You are totally correct, people did use foodbanks before the Tories, all 25, 899 of them. What you can't seem to grasp is the number of people who find it necessary to use them SINCE the Coalition/Tories have been in power, 1, 084, 604 of them. Any idea why there has been such a big jump in the space of 6 years? And please don't say if its there it will be used, you have to be referred to use a foodbank and show proof of income etc. http://www.trusselltrust.org/stats

BobbyD wrote: There was a necessity for foodbanks way before the nasty, nasty Tories got into power. Still, the simple solution would be to ban them completely then we'll go back to the halycon days of the early 2000's when everyone had enough money to spend on food, booze and ciggies. Which other charities would you also like to see banned? Macmillan, perhaps. Why not simply type WAAAAAAHHHHH....Tories, it'll save time. You are totally correct, people did use foodbanks before the Tories, all 25, 899 of them. What you can't seem to grasp is the number of people who find it necessary to use them SINCE the Coalition/Tories have been in power, 1, 084, 604 of them. Any idea why there has been such a big jump in the space of 6 years? And please don't say if its there it will be used, you have to be referred to use a foodbank and show proof of income etc. http://www.trusselltrust.org/stats

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:35 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

What is your opinion of foodbanks ?

Are they a necessary charitable effort in emergency situations, or do you believe that they are all politically motivated hence the reason why they have multiplied several fold under the current incumbents ?

I have no problem with them whatsoever. It'd be great if they weren't needed, but then it'd be great if no charities were needed. Perhaps they should get a teddy bear mascot with an eye patch and call it Pudsey, then they may be acceptable.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:52 am  

Hull White Star wrote: You are totally correct, people did use foodbanks before the Tories, all 25, 899 of them. What you can't seem to grasp is the number of people who find it necessary to use them SINCE the Coalition/Tories have been in power, 1, 084, 604 of them. Any idea why there has been such a big jump in the space of 6 years? And please don't say if its there it will be used, you have to be referred to use a foodbank and show proof of income etc. http://www.trusselltrust.org/stats Then where was your moral indignation at their growth under Labour? Or did you vote for them and hope no one notices the spineless hypocrisy? On this 1m+ number, there's this from full fact that explains it https://fullfact.org/live/2014/apr/food ... oecd-31584 the government points to OECD research which shows that the proportion of people in the UK who reported not having enough money to buy food fell from 9.8% in 2007 to 8.1% in 2012. The average proportion of people unable to pay for food increased over the same period across both the OECD group of nations and the EU. https://fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/ ... mber-40853 The increase in supply doesn’t necessarily reflect an increased demand for emergency food. There may have been people in need of emergency food in the past who wouldn’t have shown up in the Trust’s figures because there was no Trussell Trust food bank nearby. Oh, there it is as well, the "proof of income, people going through cupboards etc etc" to get a voucher. Utter, utter rubbish. Why would they bother? Perhaps the journo who managed to get a voucher was the only person to get away with it? Do you know what a Crisis Loan is, sorry, was? Well, here's some lovely figures for your rose tinted, Labour spectacles. In 2008, 984,200 people applied for a "Crisis Loan", 817,800 were granted, and you have the brass neck to slag off the Tories. The hypocrisy of the Labour voter is spectacular.

Hull White Star wrote: You are totally correct, people did use foodbanks before the Tories, all 25, 899 of them. What you can't seem to grasp is the number of people who find it necessary to use them SINCE the Coalition/Tories have been in power, 1, 084, 604 of them. Any idea why there has been such a big jump in the space of 6 years? And please don't say if its there it will be used, you have to be referred to use a foodbank and show proof of income etc. http://www.trusselltrust.org/stats Then where was your moral indignation at their growth under Labour? Or did you vote for them and hope no one notices the spineless hypocrisy? On this 1m+ number, there's this from full fact that explains it https://fullfact.org/live/2014/apr/food ... oecd-31584 the government points to OECD research which shows that the proportion of people in the UK who reported not having enough money to buy food fell from 9.8% in 2007 to 8.1% in 2012. The average proportion of people unable to pay for food increased over the same period across both the OECD group of nations and the EU. https://fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/ ... mber-40853 The increase in supply doesn’t necessarily reflect an increased demand for emergency food. There may have been people in need of emergency food in the past who wouldn’t have shown up in the Trust’s figures because there was no Trussell Trust food bank nearby. Oh, there it is as well, the "proof of income, people going through cupboards etc etc" to get a voucher. Utter, utter rubbish. Why would they bother? Perhaps the journo who managed to get a voucher was the only person to get away with it? Do you know what a Crisis Loan is, sorry, was? Well, here's some lovely figures for your rose tinted, Labour spectacles. In 2008, 984,200 people applied for a "Crisis Loan", 817,800 were granted, and you have the brass neck to slag off the Tories. The hypocrisy of the Labour voter is spectacular.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:58 am  

Jesus H. Christ! When will people stop thinking the entirety of political thought is represented by this completely bogus "Left" - "Right", "Labour", "Tory" false dichotomy? You'd think after all we've witnessed over the past thirty years with Labour, the Tories and now the Lib-Dems not just ruthlessly carving up the welfare state, the education system, the NHS etc. but also helping to facilitate the biggest tax-haven for corporate wealth (both in the UK and spread across a network of British dominions in the Caribbean as well as the Channel Islands) in existence, the penny would finally drop.

As long as people continue to believe that the limits of their political responsibilities are represented marking an occasional "X" on some polling ballot - the winner of which represents neither "Conservatism" as it was once defined nor "Labour" but instead is really an abstract, ideologically flexible subset of a SINGLE PARTY in Parliament - their impoverishment will carry on unabated.

I mean, seriously - Cameron (I won't say the "Tories" because such policy reforms are radically un-Conservative) has now "leaked" the idea of charging for visits to the doctor's surgery. Are people so DUMB that they think such charges will remain fixed for eternity - rather than being ratcheted up along the lines of prescription charges so that in essence the NHS is no longer free?

And anyone who seriously believes New New Labour is going to come riding in on a white horse to put right everything those Nasty Tories have tampered with in four years needs his head examining.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:23 am  

BobbyD wrote: Then where was your moral indignation at their growth under Labour? Or did you vote for them and hope no one notices the spineless hypocrisy? On this 1m+ number, there's this from full fact that explains it https://fullfact.org/live/2014/apr/food ... oecd-31584 https://fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/ ... mber-40853 Oh, there it is as well, the "proof of income, people going through cupboards etc etc" to get a voucher. Utter, utter rubbish. Why would they bother? Perhaps the journo who managed to get a voucher was the only person to get away with it? Do you know what a Crisis Loan is, sorry, was? Well, here's some lovely figures for your rose tinted, Labour spectacles. In 2008, 984,200 people applied for a "Crisis Loan", 817,800 were granted, and you have the brass neck to slag off the Tories. The hypocrisy of the Labour voter is spectacular. I don't know what your point is about crisis loans is but you know full well there is no crisis loan anymore, that safety net was actually taken away by your beloved Tories and people are having to wait weeks rather than days for the new Budgeting Loan. Whats your feeling about the proposed changes to ESA and Carers Allowance for the sick and disabled? Have we not bore the brunt of the cuts already with the changes to the ILF, ESA and PIP or is it a case of kicking a man whilst he's down?

BobbyD wrote: Then where was your moral indignation at their growth under Labour? Or did you vote for them and hope no one notices the spineless hypocrisy? On this 1m+ number, there's this from full fact that explains it https://fullfact.org/live/2014/apr/food ... oecd-31584 https://fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/ ... mber-40853 Oh, there it is as well, the "proof of income, people going through cupboards etc etc" to get a voucher. Utter, utter rubbish. Why would they bother? Perhaps the journo who managed to get a voucher was the only person to get away with it? Do you know what a Crisis Loan is, sorry, was? Well, here's some lovely figures for your rose tinted, Labour spectacles. In 2008, 984,200 people applied for a "Crisis Loan", 817,800 were granted, and you have the brass neck to slag off the Tories. The hypocrisy of the Labour voter is spectacular. I don't know what your point is about crisis loans is but you know full well there is no crisis loan anymore, that safety net was actually taken away by your beloved Tories and people are having to wait weeks rather than days for the new Budgeting Loan. Whats your feeling about the proposed changes to ESA and Carers Allowance for the sick and disabled? Have we not bore the brunt of the cuts already with the changes to the ILF, ESA and PIP or is it a case of kicking a man whilst he's down?

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:52 am  

Mugwump wrote:

Jesus H. Christ! When will people stop thinking the entirety of political thought is represented by this completely bogus "Left" - "Right", "Labour", "Tory" false dichotomy? You'd think after all we've witnessed over the past thirty years with Labour, the Tories and now the Lib-Dems not just ruthlessly carving up the welfare state, the education system, the NHS etc. but also helping to facilitate the biggest tax-haven for corporate wealth (both in the UK and spread across a network of British dominions in the Caribbean as well as the Channel Islands) in existence, the penny would finally drop.

As long as people continue to believe that the limits of their political responsibilities are represented marking an occasional "X" on some polling ballot - the winner of which represents neither "Conservatism" as it was once defined nor "Labour" but instead is really an abstract, ideologically flexible subset of a SINGLE PARTY in Parliament - their impoverishment will carry on unabated.

I mean, seriously - Cameron (I won't say the "Tories" because such policy reforms are radically un-Conservative) has now "leaked" the idea of charging for visits to the doctor's surgery. Are people so DUMB that they think such charges will remain fixed for eternity - rather than being ratcheted up along the lines of prescription charges so that in essence the NHS is no longer free?

And anyone who seriously believes New New Labour is going to come riding in on a white horse to put right everything those Nasty Tories have tampered with in four years needs his head examining.

Those could have been my very thoughts, regular readers may recall the phrase "football supporter politics", well its the funneling of thoughts into "left" and "right" that simply maintains the system where any party in government lines its members pockets for the future regardless of rhetoric or pretend political theories - there is no "left" or "right" in the current pair of parties who are the only ones likely to ever hold power and you have to go back forty years to understand what "left" and "right" really means.