Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Thu May 31, 2012 8:30 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Do you both think I sit here I make things up for the sake of it???

Of course not. But all governments are poor in this country in this regard.

One think I've noticed in my lifetime is that in times of high unemployment claimants are branded scroungers and there are moves to cut benefits whereas in times of 'full' employment the real scroungers are given good benefits. It ironic. (NB I am not talking of the sick / disabled here).

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Thu May 31, 2012 8:44 pm  

Dally wrote: Of course not. But all governments are poor in this country in this regard. One think I've noticed in my lifetime is that in times of high unemployment claimants are branded scroungers and there are moves to cut benefits whereas in times of 'full' employment the real scroungers are given good benefits. It ironic. (NB I am not talking of the sick / disabled here). Its only the press that call benefit claimants scroungers. They whip the public up into such a frenzy. I have been claiming benefits for my illness for many years - DLA is not an out of work benefit, and I never heard a murmour about being a scrounger or "shop a cheat" campaigns nor do I recall Labour ministers telling twitter/facebook users if they have a disabled friend who used social networking to shop them as they can work like Tory Nadine Dorries disgustingly did.

Dally wrote: Of course not. But all governments are poor in this country in this regard. One think I've noticed in my lifetime is that in times of high unemployment claimants are branded scroungers and there are moves to cut benefits whereas in times of 'full' employment the real scroungers are given good benefits. It ironic. (NB I am not talking of the sick / disabled here). Its only the press that call benefit claimants scroungers. They whip the public up into such a frenzy. I have been claiming benefits for my illness for many years - DLA is not an out of work benefit, and I never heard a murmour about being a scrounger or "shop a cheat" campaigns nor do I recall Labour ministers telling twitter/facebook users if they have a disabled friend who used social networking to shop them as they can work like Tory Nadine Dorries disgustingly did.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:39 am  

And the latest from Porky Pickles? Problem families told "stop blaming others" I wonder if he can make a start on some of the problem families closer to his heart, who continue to blame others for their situation? The Osbornes and Camorons spring readily to mind.

And the latest from Porky Pickles? Problem families told "stop blaming others" I wonder if he can make a start on some of the problem families closer to his heart, who continue to blame others for their situation? The Osbornes and Camorons spring readily to mind.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:24 am  

cod'ead wrote: And the latest from Porky Pickles? Problem families told "stop blaming others" I wonder if he can make a start on some of the problem families closer to his heart, who continue to blame others for their situation? The Osbornes and Camorons spring readily to mind. They couldn't possibly do that. The entire strategy of this government (that everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault) would be in tatters.

cod'ead wrote: And the latest from Porky Pickles? Problem families told "stop blaming others" I wonder if he can make a start on some of the problem families closer to his heart, who continue to blame others for their situation? The Osbornes and Camorons spring readily to mind. They couldn't possibly do that. The entire strategy of this government (that everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault) would be in tatters.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:34 am  

cod'ead wrote: And the latest from Porky Pickles? Problem families told "stop blaming others" From that report ... Under government criteria, a troubled family is one that meets five out of seven criteria: having a low income, no one in the family who is working, poor housing, parents who have no qualifications, where the mother has a mental health problem, one parent has a long-standing illness or disability, and where the family is unable to afford basics, including food and clothes. The first three of those criteria plus the last one are usually a direct cause of the other three so in that respect he has got that bit right. How on earth he is going to "tackle the issue" in an era of high unemployment is beyond me, I'm glad its not me who has to solve the conundrum but the long term unemployed, the mentally ill and the long term disabled are going to be right at the back of the queue in the job centres even when companies start recruiting again, tough words or not. He freely admits that when he was the leader of Bradford Council he had 1760 "problem families" in the city and presumably there are still 1760 "problem familes" in the city because he didn't have a solution then and frankly he isn't offering one now - what he is doing is waving a flag and beating his 4XL chest for the benefit of "Outraged of Buckinghamshire".

cod'ead wrote: And the latest from Porky Pickles? Problem families told "stop blaming others" From that report ... Under government criteria, a troubled family is one that meets five out of seven criteria: having a low income, no one in the family who is working, poor housing, parents who have no qualifications, where the mother has a mental health problem, one parent has a long-standing illness or disability, and where the family is unable to afford basics, including food and clothes. The first three of those criteria plus the last one are usually a direct cause of the other three so in that respect he has got that bit right. How on earth he is going to "tackle the issue" in an era of high unemployment is beyond me, I'm glad its not me who has to solve the conundrum but the long term unemployed, the mentally ill and the long term disabled are going to be right at the back of the queue in the job centres even when companies start recruiting again, tough words or not. He freely admits that when he was the leader of Bradford Council he had 1760 "problem families" in the city and presumably there are still 1760 "problem familes" in the city because he didn't have a solution then and frankly he isn't offering one now - what he is doing is waving a flag and beating his 4XL chest for the benefit of "Outraged of Buckinghamshire".

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:08 pm  

major hound wrote:

They couldn't possibly do that. The entire strategy of this government (that everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault) would be in tatters.

Think Pickles must have picked up Giedeons spin sheet today. Its all the Eurozones fault the state of Britains economy. Makes a refreshing change to hear something other than "the last labour governments fault".

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:04 am  

Now Theresa May says that unless you're earning more than £25,700 gross, you're too poor to bring your spouse into the country. So given this government's joined-up thinking, when can we expect Ian Duncan Smith to announce an increase in the minimum wage to £13.38 to reflect May's definition of poor?

Now Theresa May says that unless you're earning more than £25,700 gross, you're too poor to bring your spouse into the country. So given this government's joined-up thinking, when can we expect Ian Duncan Smith to announce an increase in the minimum wage to £13.38 to reflect May's definition of poor?

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:32 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Now Theresa May says that unless you're earning more than £18,600, you're too poor to bring your spouse into the country.

So given this government's joined-up thinking, when can we expect Ian Duncan Smith to announce an increase in the minimum wage to £9.67 to reflect May's definition of poor?

That'll be a bit of a blow to the cleaner who cleans around her desk every morning on £7.85 an hour, whether or not that cleaner has a spouse outside or inside the country, makes you wonder how these London Living Wage employees survive really doesn't it ?

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:38 am  

McLaren_Field wrote:

That'll be a bit of a blow to the cleaner who cleans around her desk every morning on £7.85 an hour, whether or not that cleaner has a spouse outside or inside the country, makes you wonder how these London Living Wage employees survive really doesn't it ?

Just edited it mate, the original figure was net of tax & NI, the gross figure is actually £25,700, so an hourly rate of £13.38

Either way, it won't deflect from Robert Jay handing Gideon his arse on a plate at Leveson this afty

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:55 am  

cod'ead wrote: Now Theresa May says that unless you're earning more than £25,700 gross, you're too poor to bring your spouse into the country. So given this government's joined-up thinking, when can we expect Ian Duncan Smith to announce an increase in the minimum wage to £13.38 to reflect May's definition of poor? And this is why I became a British Citizen when I did because I could see things like this happening to me. Its strange that you're deemed rich enough earning £7,500 pa to support a sick loved who cannot work but need £25,700 to support a foreigner?

cod'ead wrote: Now Theresa May says that unless you're earning more than £25,700 gross, you're too poor to bring your spouse into the country. So given this government's joined-up thinking, when can we expect Ian Duncan Smith to announce an increase in the minimum wage to £13.38 to reflect May's definition of poor? And this is why I became a British Citizen when I did because I could see things like this happening to me. Its strange that you're deemed rich enough earning £7,500 pa to support a sick loved who cannot work but need £25,700 to support a foreigner?