Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:11 pm  

Damo-Leeds wrote:

... a load of rubbish ...

But sunshine, that's part of the problem.

There are a number of people here who rarely agree with Sal Paradise. To see that they are more likely to believe him than you on this would tell a half-way intelligent person something.

Unfortunately, you're not even half way intelligent enough to understand that, let alone that nobody has any sympathy for you, but sees you as a pathetic individual who is actually almost the worst sort of example of what the tabloids and right wing portray in general.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:20 pm  

Mintball wrote:

But sunshine, that's part of the problem.

There are a number of people here who rarely agree with Sal Paradise. To see that they are more likely to believe him than you on this would tell a half-way intelligent person something.

Unfortunately, you're not even half way intelligent enough to understand that.

I’m fine with people believing whatever they want. If you think I’m participating in this debate to convert the sinbin masses into believing everything that I write then you’ve got it very wrong.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:32 pm  

The point that you should take from this is that people from across the political spectrum are not only NOT defending you, but are agreeing that, on the basis of what you post here, you're a waste of space.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:44 pm  

Indeed. His posts no longer show for me. Makes my reading the sin bin a much happier event

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:48 pm  

How much of the particularly high youth unemployment figure, is actually down to young folk being reluctant to take jobs that they feel are 'below' them, or their qualifications?

My 19 year old daughter started her first 'proper' job in September, after 2 years at college, working part time in a shop....Now, if during those 2 years you had suggested to her that this was what she would be doing at this point in her life, I'm pretty sure she would have scoffed and said there was no chance of getting her to do a menial shop job.

However, a need for money, a little self respect and a dawning realisation that the 'perfect' job isn't going to drop in her lap, made her apply for many jobs , resulting in the one she presently has.....She is enjoying it, but obviously has ambitions to move on and improve herself at some point.

It does make me wonder though, how many people are refusing work on the basis that it is seen as 'below' them.....Those jobs that many narrow minded folk accuse Eastern Europeans of taking from the British youngsters, are often the ones that are initially refused by many of our unemployed youth?

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:54 pm  

Mintball wrote:

The point that you should take from this is that people from across the political spectrum are not only NOT defending you, but are agreeing that, on the basis of what you post here, you're a waste of space.

I’ve had to endure the most insulting of insults from people who should know better. The only thing I’ll be taking from this is my dignity because I’ve remained civil throughout.

I don’t think that I’m a waste of space and it is my opinion that is the most important to me personally. The only way I’ll ever convince people that I’m not a waste of space on here is through action . That action takes time and I’ve got a lifetime to showcase that I’m not a waste of space. But for now I do voluntary work and if that’s not enough to sway peoples opinion of me then so be it.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:55 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

- The unemployment rate has risen to 8.4%, the highest since November 1995

- The unemployment rate for 16-24 year olds not in full time education is 20.7%, the highest since comparable records began in 1992 although the Labour Force Survey indicates that there was a higher percentage of 16-24 year olds out of work during the mid 1980s.

- The total unemployed has risen to 2.68 million, the highest number out of work since August 1994

- In November 2011 there were 988000 working days lost to strikes, the worst month for industrial disputes since July 1989

Notice how all of these "the highest since" are from the days of the last Tory government. And the 1994/95 era was hardly the worst of those days either, that was regarded as a period of comparable stability after the dark days of the early 1990s, and nowhere near as bad as the early to mid 1980s. It puts in context how things were then, that whilst we regard things as really bad now, it was about the same as in the better days of old Tory government.

I expect as unemployment worsens those "worst since" comparisons will go to different periods of the Thatcher and Major years.

It also puts in context how good things were in the Blair era, despite what people think of his foreign policy.

You are not actually trying to argue that the Labour years in government were actually beneficial from an economic point of view are you?

The facts are that the world economy was on the up, largely due to the growth in China, the UK hung onto it's coat tails.

There was money flowing into the exchequer on account of this.

Despite the above the Labour government managed to sqaunder and overspend, the like of which this country has NEVER seen before.

The result, the country is now broke and faces years of pain to pay back the deficit. (It's like trying to stop an oil tanker, the deficit will take years to slow down, stop and (hopefully) eventually get paid back.

I'm not a fan of any politician, but the last Labour goverment (Blair/Brown) was the worst in living memory, at least from an economic perspective.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:04 pm  

This country is a mess because people having been living on credit in so called good times. Our aggregate, private + public debt is enormous relative to our economy - and only just behind Japan's. It's way, way higher than the failed states of the Eurozone.

People need to start living within their means. Beyond that we need to save because that is the only way we will expand our manufacturing base. The financial institutions need stable long-term funds from savings in order to lend to business.

It's the people, not just the politicians, that have created the mess but sadly none of the slime balls will accept their indivuals responsibilities for the mess.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:33 pm  

Dally wrote:

This country is a mess because people having been living on credit in so called good times. Our aggregate, private + public debt is enormous relative to our economy - and only just behind Japan's. It's way, way higher than the failed states of the Eurozone.

People need to start living within their means. Beyond that we need to save because that is the only way we will expand our manufacturing base. The financial institutions need stable long-term funds from savings in order to lend to business.

It's the people, not just the politicians, that have created the mess but sadly none of the slime balls will accept their indivuals responsibilities for the mess.

Pretty much agree with what you say there tbh.

I would say though that Labour completely mismanaged their budgets. If they had put money away in the "good times" for the rainy day that is here now, there wouldn't be as great a need to cut public spending and therefore many more people wouldn't have to lose their jobs.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:29 am  

Isn't one of the biggest jokes on young people sending so many of them into further education? Rather than subsidise so many kids to go to uni for 3 years and then discover their qualification is almost worthless, a large number would be far better off learning a trade (I'd bet the cost to the taxpayer would be similar), or simply starting to work at 16 or 18 and not even bother with any form of further education.

BTW on a number of other threads Damo has openly talked about not bothering to apply for some jobs etc because he didn't like them (assuming in advance how he'd would be treated, not liking the hours etc). Instead he openly prefers everybody else to support him via benefits - that's the bit that's annoying everybody, and the thing he just doesn't get at all, whilst cr*pping on about his dignity etc.