Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:00 am  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

post all the graphs you want

This is where we've arrived; "use all the facts you want - my opinion is better!"

PCollinson1990 wrote:

simple fact is

Any sentence that starts with these words, or variations of them, can be guaranteed one thing - it won't contain any facts at all, simple or otherwise.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:28 am  

bren2k wrote:

This is where we've arrived; "use all the facts you want - my opinion is better!"

Any sentence that starts with these words, or variations of them, can be guaranteed one thing - it won't contain any facts at all, simple or otherwise.

And we see why the Singapore Bin is a shadow of its former self... Enjoy your dull bitterness and hatred of anyone else's achievements, it's a lonely life for you, such a shame...

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:20 am  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

And we see why the Singapore Bin is a shadow of its former self... Enjoy your dull bitterness and hatred of anyone else's achievements, it's a lonely life for you, such a shame...

I'm entirely confused what my, or anyone else's, achievements have to do with this; but b'bye - feel free to come back when you have something of substance to say... or don't... whatever.

[Sadfish]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:56 pm  

Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604 The Bank of England believes that up to 75,000 jobs could be lost in financial services following Britain's departure from the European Union. The BBC understands senior figures at the Bank are using the number as a "reasonable scenario", particularly if there is no specific UK-EU financial services deal. The number could change depending on the UK's post-Brexit trading deal. But the bank still expects substantial job losses.

Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604 The Bank of England believes that up to 75,000 jobs could be lost in financial services following Britain's departure from the European Union. The BBC understands senior figures at the Bank are using the number as a "reasonable scenario", particularly if there is no specific UK-EU financial services deal. The number could change depending on the UK's post-Brexit trading deal. But the bank still expects substantial job losses.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:27 am  

It will be worse than that - I understand that Labour will today use an old parliamentary rule to force the Tories to release the Brexit impact studies they've been desperate to supress; the finance jobs will be the tip of the iceberg.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:38 am  

bren2k wrote:

It will be worse than that - I understand that Labour will today use an old parliamentary rule to force the Tories to release the Brexit impact studies they've been desperate to supress; the finance jobs will be the tip of the iceberg.

They can make all the predictions they want - they are simply that a prediction.

How many of the doom predictions that were made following the vote have actually come to pass? Who is to say these predictions have anymore validity?

All they are - are what we see on here all the time - people trying to use bias info. to support their point of view.

The OBR are supposed to be experts - how often do they actually getting right?

Economics is a massively complex area where equally competent experts will have polarised opinions - that's why we should take all these pronouncements with a pinch of salt - because actually nobody has a crystal ball.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:44 am  

I'm still baffled as to why we need to make this huge leap in the dark.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:01 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Economics is a massively complex area where equally competent experts will have polarised opinions

And yet an overwhelming majority of economists believe that Brexit will damage the UK economy, with estimates from between 2 to 9% of GDP; a small group advocating free trade have suggested the opposite, but their model has been exposed as fundamentally flawed.

The only people I can see who aren't polarised are rabid Brexiteers, who don't actually have any expertise; even David Davis has now admitted that the 'deal' he gets is likely to favour the EU, particularly when it comes to 'money and stuff.'

Given the absolute shambles of the negotiations, the exposing of so many lies during the campaign, and the increasing amount of information available to the public and MP's (only after the Government were forced to release the impact studies,) it seems to me that the only reasonable way forward is a 2nd vote on the deal itself; and that's before we mention the dark money scandal surrounding Farage and Aaron Banks that is just starting to emerge.

If the case for Brexit is so compelling, I can't see what Leavers would have to fear from that?

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:03 am  

bren2k wrote:

If the case for Brexit is so compelling, I can't see what Leavers would have to fear from that?

I expect if the result had gone the other way the leavers would also be clamouring for a second stab at it.

The 4% majority for me was too fine a margin to make such a momentous decision. The referendum shouldn't be binding unless it's a 10% majority for change.

There should definitely be a final vote on the deal - however if that vote is restricted to MPs then I expect it to go through no problem as most in leave constituencies would dare not go against the wishes of their electorate even if they disagreed.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:27 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

I expect if the result had gone the other way the leavers would also be clamouring for a second stab at it.

The 4% majority for me was too fine a margin to make such a momentous decision. The referendum shouldn't be binding unless it's a 10% majority for change.

There should definitely be a final vote on the deal - however if that vote is restricted to MPs then I expect it to go through no problem as most in leave constituencies would dare not go against the wishes of their electorate even if they disagreed.

Farage was calling for it on the night of the election, when the exit polls were too close to call and he thought Remain would win - so that has already happened.

I couldn't agree more - a non-binding vote in a binary referendum, where large numbers of stakeholders were disenfranchised and the campaign was based on lies; a super-majority should have been required the first time around, and a second vote when the details of what leaving will actually look like, seems the only choice.

As for the politics of it - I tend to agree; this has now become a career defining issue for politicians of all stripes - they either do what's right for the country, or for themselves and their party, and it's fairly obvious what most will choose.