Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:56 pm  

Mintball wrote:

I assume absolutely nothing about you - and I have never suggested that you were "born with an 'Expense Account'": where you get this from I have no idea, but it simply illustrates, yet again, your chippiness.

Now, I suggest that, instead of derailing this thread with your paranoid whinging, you concentrate on the discussion itself.

Get it?

Good!

Grow up - please!!

Get it?

Good!!

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:59 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Whoah, I reckon you don't actually mean that.

The way it reads is that it's OK to say that non-white are less than honest, which is an over-simplification and over-extrapolation that could very easily be racist.

I have provided some examples to avoid accusations of generalisation.

[tb]

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:12 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Grow up - please!!

Get it?

Good!!

After nearly 10 years here, I'd expect you to have learned the difference between a contribution to a thread and a mod or admin warning you as a mod or admin. Unless you'd rather take a break from the Sin Bin?

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:24 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Notice how countries like Switzerland, Norway and Iceland don't want to be in the Euro with strong economies (Ok Iceland had a set back but look to berecovering quite well) and poor countries like Kosovo, Romania even going back a bit the Greeks couldn't wait. That to me should say that someone smells a rat and they don't want to have to help prop up the weak economies and watch their own suffer, whereas the poor countries can't wait to come to the table like Oliver Twist and beg for more.

What's wrong with countries just having their own currency and economies and just keeping the things that work like the free movement through Europe and trade benefits?
All the backside kissing this country as done to Europe and the other countries still treat us with contemptand suspect always will, sod them, let their banks go to the wall, Iceland did, and they are recovering. Lets just start again and if there are casualties on the way, so be it, humans are resilient enough to come back from it.
To quote Maximo Park, "what happens when you lose every thing, you just start again"

Switzerland's government DID want to be in the EU, their referendum said No.
Iceland suffers from island-mentality just like the UK does, besides they have so much interest in fish, they don't want to let anyone else in.
Weak economies have tests to pass, however enforcing adherence (e.g. Greece) has been the whole problem and this is what Merkel and Sarkozy have been trying to get in place so that it wouldn't happen again.

What's wrong with countries having their currency etc etc?
Well, where to begin? ...
1. Big currencies are harder for the sharks in the ForEx markets to gamble against and, even in the midst of the current whirlwind, the Euro is still stiing at 83p. Look at what happened when the gamblers sniffed blood when Lamont was throwing money at the pound on Black Wednesday, like in a game of poker, he ran out of cash before their combined wallets did.
2. Big currencies (esp. controlled by a central bank) are more stable.
3. A common currency across a common market is a sensible medium of exchange, both the buyer and seller know that the price they agreed is the price that will be paid.

I'll treat the comments about backside kissing etc as typical British insularity

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:36 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Wow all the usual suspects are ganging together!!

Oh, GROW UP!! ffs. It is both pathetic, and insulting. I'm posting what I what, when I want. I'm not in anybody's fscking gang. Respond to the POINTS I make, or don't, I couldn't care less, but cut the crap.

Sal Paradise wrote:

What I am saying is this there are certain topics which cannot be discussed on here because a certain group of prominent posters attempt to strangle the debate

Nope. that is you saying something COMPLETELY different. That is you now trying to divert the topic, because you are unwilling or unable to deal with the clear argument I posted.

I will answer your new points, but that does not mean your tactic has worked. I await your reply to what I said. If you have a reply.

Sal Paradise wrote:

Here are some examples of racial differences two quick ones - factual examples!!

Years ago when I had another user name I raised the issue of grooming by Pakistani boys of young girls especially in Keighley - I was pilloried on here as a racist for even bringing up this. This was and still is a major issue in West Yorkshire and their have been criminal convictions to support this.

Are you actually claiming that such 'grooming' in Keighley is due to a "racial difference"? Why then do the vast majority of "Pakistani boys" not engage in 'grooming'? Or maybe you have evidence that they do?

Sal Paradise wrote:

Uninsured vehicles is another instance of non white British, most will be born here but of immigrant origin - Bradford post codes being two of the top four and these post codes being predominently inhabited by immigrants and their offspring.

How come you are not getting this? Or do you actually believe that if I am "non white British" there is some "racial difference" which stops me from insuring cars? Is THAT what you think? Really?

Sal Paradise wrote:

Islam is now something that cannot be discussed on here anymore - anyone who dared to suggest all was not well in Muhammad's house was well and truly set upon by the usual suspects!!

As is fairly well known I am of the view that all religion is bollox, and has been and remains a perennial excuse for many of mankind's worst excesses. Having said which I have no clue what you mean by "Islam cannot be discussed". Where does it say that? Who has deprived me of the benefit of reading what would no doubt be your profound and insightful views on Islam? Tell me, and I shall berate them.

Now, having disposed of your attempt to divert the thread, explain to me the basis on which you claimed that "non white British people are less than totally honest". And if you get several replies, then as well as your default and paranoid conspiracy / gang delusions, maybe you should at least consider the remote possibility that it could just be because several people disagree with you. Left field, I know, but you can't rule it out.

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:58 pm  

In the wake of the mad cow fiasco, when British beef had been deemed safe the French ignored directives to accept British beef even under pressure they basically said F U. They ignored the European Court of forced expulsion of Roma gypsies they also refuse to integrate EU laws into their own, they dig their heels in all the time as do other countries, and we seem to just accept every directive thrown at us as though we are trying to appease them.

France have been the most obstinate country since the start of the EU project YET we are the ones who are banded about as the country that is the biggest hindrance to the EU project, France never bows down to EU pressure when they feel their own interests are at stake, as soon as we finally stand up for ourselves, the whole lot come down on us. France has always made its wishes known and blocked initiatives that don’t serve its interests.

[Kosh]

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:04 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

In the wake of the mad cow fiasco, when British beef had been deemed safe the French ignored directives to accept British beef even under pressure they basically said F U. They ignored the European Court of forced expulsion of Roma gypsies they also refuse to integrate EU laws into their own, they dig their heels in all the time as do other countries, and we seem to just accept every directive thrown at us as though we are trying to appease them.

France have been the most obstinate country since the start of the EU project YET we are the ones who are banded about as the country that is the biggest hindrance to the EU project, France never bows down to EU pressure when they feel their own interests are at stake, as soon as we finally stand up for ourselves, the whole lot come down on us. France has always made its wishes known and blocked initiatives that don’t serve its interests.

You really, really need to stop reading the tabloids and do some research of your own.

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:07 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Wow all the usual suspects are ganging together!!

What I am saying is this there are certain topics which cannot be discussed on here because a certain group of prominent posters attempt to strangle the debate

Here are some examples of racial differences two quick ones - factual examples!!

Years ago when I had another user name I raised the issue of grooming by Pakistani boys of young girls especially in Keighley - I was pilloried on here as a racist for even bringing up this. This was and still is a major issue in West Yorkshire and their have been criminal convictions to support this.

Uninsured vehicles is another instance of non white British, most will be born here but of immigrant origin - Bradford post codes being two of the top four and these post codes being predominently inhabited by immigrants and their offspring. Now it could be that is the white population that don't insure their vehicles but the balance of probability and common sense would suggest that if 90% of the population is of ethnic origin then 90% of the un-insured vehicles are owned by the ethnics? Unless you can list all the those who are not insured individually and produce photographic evidence the "more equals" will see this as an opportunity to label you a racist.

Islam is now something that cannot be discussed on here anymore - anyone who dared to suggest all was not well in Muhammad's house was well and truly set upon by the usual suspects!!

I have no objection to some posters having special rights - life is not fair - as long as we all know the rules of engagement.

Good post.

Probably get you banned though. Shame.

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:17 pm  

Kosh wrote:

You really, really need to stop reading the tabloids and do some research of your own.

How typically presumptuous
I have very rarely read tabloids since 97 when i left home when my folks always bought The Express, the occasions i do leave me shaking my head at what they deem news, i now only tend to read The Standard on the occasions i travel on the tube, i'm not one for buying papers.

That was my own research, granted from about 2005, but you don't think the French ride roughshod over EU directives and put their own self interests first?

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:26 pm  

tb wrote:

After nearly 10 years here, I'd expect you to have learned the difference between a contribution to a thread and a mod or admin warning you as a mod or admin. Unless you'd rather take a break from the Sin Bin?

Do you like anyone from Leeds?