Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 15, 2017 7:47 am  

wire-quin wrote:

In the EU we had no control over Immigration from EU countries whereas in the future we will have. It was a bizarre commitment to make when realistically you had no control over it. Non EU countries was something we could have controlled but possibly didn't do as well as we could.

And who was the Home Secretary who presided over the abject failure to control immigration from outside the EU...?

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 15, 2017 7:52 am  

wire-quin wrote:

In the EU we had no control over Immigration from EU countries whereas in the future we will have. It was a bizarre commitment to make when realistically you had no control over it. Non EU countries was something we could have controlled but possibly didn't do as well as we could.

To help us understand where you're coming from, how has immigration adversely affected you personally?

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 15, 2017 8:13 am  

wire-quin wrote:
In the EU we had no control over Immigration from EU countries whereas in the future we will have. It was a bizarre commitment to make when realistically you had no control over it. Non EU countries was something we could have controlled but possibly didn't do as well as we could.


To help us understand where you're coming from, how has immigration adversely affected you personally?

It hasn't. Does that mean I can't comment on it?

Again it was a bizarre commitment to make when we had no control over numbers arriving from the EU.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 15, 2017 8:32 am  

Immigration has become the biggest and most useful political red herring for the Tory party:

NHS - it's not busted because of years of chronic underfunding and a slow creep to privatisation; it's because of immigration.

Schools - are not busted because of crippling reforms and massive cuts in funding; it's because of immigration.

Social housing - is not in crisis because of the failure to invest in stock; it's because of immigration.

So the solution to this is Brexit - which will indeed grant government the ability to control immigration from within the EU - but not from outwith, which they've had the ability to control all along, but have singularly failed to do. It's a con - and since the Tories have subsumed UKIP to ride the populist wave of anti-immigration sentiment, we'll rush pell-mell into isolating ourselves from our biggest trading bloc, without any realistic plan to replace that economic activity.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 15, 2017 8:58 am  

wire-quin wrote:

It hasn't. Does that mean I can't comment on it?

Of course not, I'm just trying to understand why immigration is a key issue for you.

My initial thought is that you've been sucked in by elements of the media (like Bren pointed out in his post above), but rather than presume I thought I'd ask.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 15, 2017 8:59 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

Labours shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry having to defend Mr Corbyns opinion on NATO that he made just 6 years ago

The bloke is a complete joke , he is basically a communist but rather than join a left wing party or set up his own , he's latched onto the Labour party 30 odd years ago and been happy to take his MPs salary just so he could vote against them ' a complete hypocrit

I'm not a Corbyn apologist but would suggest he has been an extremely hard working local MP for 35 years, irrespective of his views. Much more effective & dedicated than the clowns who have got us into the current national situation who see being an MP as strategic position rather than a public duty. IMO that's where he should have stayed. A national & global stage, where empty promises & polish are needed, is obviously not for him.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 15, 2017 5:59 pm  

Well, you have to admire him.
The turnout for Corbyn, in Leeds, today, was almost of Presidential.
1000's turning out in Roundhay park to meet "their" leader.

All they have to do now is register and then be bothered enough to cast a vote.

Very impressive and it shows that if harnessed effectively, social media could be very helpful to Jezza.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 15, 2017 11:00 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Well, you have to admire him.
The turnout for Corbyn, in Leeds, today, was almost of Presidential.
1000's turning out in Roundhay park to meet "their" leader.

All they have to do now is register and then be bothered enough to cast a vote.

Very impressive and it shows that if harnessed effectively, social media could be very helpful to Jezza.

That's the thing - Foote got huge crowds but didnt translate into electoral success.

If he can be the bloke to snap the young out of their apathy then his whole campaign, win or lose will be worth it in the long run.

I have to admit I was pretty unenthusiastic until I saw how vociferously the media attacked him. That swayed me to joining the party tbh. What a nice change it will be to have a decent bloke in Downing street for a change.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 16, 2017 4:46 am  

Corbyn won't be in Downing Street other than as leader of the opposition.

Thousands of people turning out in Roundhay Park means squat - they will be Corbyn supporters already, and will be spread across a number of constituencies. If there's one lesson that should be learned from Corbyn its that immense popularity amongst a small number of people can lead to utter delusion regarding broader appeal.

The idea that being attacked by the media is Corbyn's only problem is a poor excuse for him being a dreadful campaigner beyond his core base.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 16, 2017 6:09 am  

Corbyn won't be in Downing Street other than as leader of the opposition.

He will do well to achieve that.