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Yes I can.
The flag is stuck in a slight depression left to right and so because of a slight ridge the shadow can't be seen.
This is fooking easy!
Do you think the moon's surface is a flat plane?
I suppose YOU would!
Your analytical skills are SHOCKING!!!!


This is circular logic. Because there's no flag shadow it must be because it's obscured.

It's like saying - we must have gone to the moon because the astronauts came back.
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Mugwump wrote:
This is circular logic. Because there's no flag shadow it must be because it's obscured.

It's like saying - we must have gone to the moon because the astronauts came back.

No it is not.
It is an explanation of how that effect can be misinterpreted by people who don't use their brains.
Have you joined that camp now?

Do you collect these silly analogies and store them for future use.
Your analogy is not appropriate.
Try harder.

I don't know if you are deliberately aligning yourself with nutjobs, but it's not doing your reputation much good.
Didn't you USED to be a big hitter?
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Stand-Offish wrote:
No it is not.
It is an explanation of how that effect can be misinterpreted by people who don't use their brains.
Have you joined that camp now?


It's AN explanation. But it doesn't follow that it's THE explanation.

If there's a depression big enough to obscure the flag's shadow - neither you nor I can prove it from that photo. There's just not enough evidence. This is not the same as issues relating to light intensity and the Inverse Square Law. It's an immutable law whose effects on a photograph can be used to unequivocally prove or disprove an argument (providing certain conditions are met).

Do you collect these silly analogies and store them for future use.
Your analogy is not appropriate.
Try harder.

I don't know if you are deliberately aligning yourself with nutjobs, but it's not doing your reputation much good.
Didn't you USED to be a big hitter?


WTF is a "big hitter"? :roll:
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Mugwump wrote:
This is circular logic. Because there's no flag shadow it must be because it's obscured.

It's like saying - we must have gone to the moon because the astronauts came back.


Do you accept the existence of the LRO? I mean, if it's not real, who, and how, produces the astonishing array of images? And how do they do it? For example, how did they produce this mosaic of the Moon's north pole, other than from an orbiting craft?
Image

Do you weigh in evidence the detailed imagery the LRO has produced of the various Apollo landing sites?

If we didn't go to the moon, how come the stuff that was in the photos/videos from the missions is still there to be seen on these images?

It's like saying - we must have gone to the moon because the kit we saw on the imagery from the sixties turns out to actually be there.
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At some point I'm going to tabulate the total number of unprovoked personal/ad hominem attacks made in this thread and the culprits.

I'm guessing the results will be very interesting on two counts... ;)
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Mugwump wrote:
It's AN explanation. But it doesn't follow that it's THE explanation.

If there's a depression big enough to obscure the flag's shadow - neither you nor I can prove it from that photo. There's just not enough evidence. This is not the same as issues relating to light intensity and the Inverse Square Law. It's an immutable law whose effects on a photograph can be used to unequivocally prove or disprove an argument (providing certain conditions are met).

WTF is a "big hitter"? :roll:

Yes that is exactly what I am saying, it is a possible and very logical explanation, and it is not one I had to look up by the way.
All I was doing there was analysing a very good point about why was there no shadow.
Now if I couldn't have come up with a simple rational explanation to explain this away, I might well have thought oops!
But in a millisecond I did, which at the very least, you may concede, knocks a hole in that piece of evidence.

A big hitter?
Really?
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The Earth's magnetospheric barrier, the GCR's,SPE's,MM's and more tells us that space travel beyond LEO is impossible, and the Apollo program is a mere fantasy, That's my view. And this isn't a debate thread if anyone is thinking of asking for citations and multiple links and names of credential scientists to play the derailing game as is common in these types of threads.

I concur with the late Bill Cooper on the reasons for it:
Bill Cooper Wrote: Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.

All names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echo the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's secret religion. The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed."

Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being discovered. And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes.

No man has ever ascended much higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. At or under that altitude the astronauts are beneath the radiation of the Van Allen Belt and the Van Allen Belt shields them from the extreme radiation which permeates space. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.

The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, Solar flares, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings

If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum... and that is not even taking into consideration any effects of cosmic radiation, Solar flares, micrometeorites, etc. NASA tells us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.

Heat is defined as the vibration or movement of molecules within matter. The faster the molecular motion the higher the temperature. The slower the molecular motion the colder the temperature. Absolute zero is that point where all molecular motion ceases. In order to have hot or cold, molecules must be present.

A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we know as "space" that any concept of "hot" or "cold" is impossible to measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a "Thermos" or vacuum bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling.

Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.

Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is "cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space. Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.

NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.

NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.

Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a "vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.

The same laws of physics apply to any vehicle traveling through space. NASA claims that the spacecraft was slowly rotated causing the shadowed side to be cooled by the intense cold of space... an intense cold that DOES NOT EXIST. In fact the only thing that could have been accomplished by a rotation of the spacecraft is a more even and constant heating such as that obtained by rotating a hot dog on a spit. In reality a dish called Astronaut a la Apollo would have been served. At the very least you would not want to open the hatch upon the crafts return.

NASA knows better than to claim, in addition, that a water cooling apparatus such as that which they claim cooled the astronauts suits cooled the spacecraft. No rocket could ever have been launched with the amount of water needed to work such a system for even a very short period of time. Fresh water weighs a little over 62 lbs. per cubic foot. Space and weight capacity were critical given the lift capability of the rockets used in the Apollo Space Program. No such extra water was carried by any mission whatsoever for suits or for cooling the spacecraft.

On the tapes the Astronauts complained bitterly of the cold during their journey and while on the surface of the moon. They spoke of using heaters that did not give off enough heat to overcome the intense cold of space. It was imperative that NASA use this ruse because to tell the truth would TELL THE TRUTH. It is also proof of the arrogance and contempt in which the Illuminati holds the common man.

What we heard is in reality indicative of an over zealous cooling system in the props used during the filming of the missions at the Atomic Energy Commissions Nevada desert test site, where it is common to see temperatures well over 100 degrees. In the glaring unfiltered direct heat of the sun the Astronauts could never have been cold at any time whatsoever in the perfect insulating vacuum of space.

As proof examine the Lunar Lander on display in the Smithsonian Institute and notice the shrouded and encased cone of the rocket engine INSIDE the Lander which is attached above the rocket nozzle at the bottom Centre of the Lander. It is this rocket engine which supposedly provided the retro thrust upon landing on the moon and the takeoff thrust during takeoff from the moon. In the actual Lunar Lander this engine is present but in the film and pictures of the inside of the Lunar Lander that was "said" to be on the moon the engine is absent. Then examine the Lunar Lander simulator and you will see exactly where the fake footage was filmed.

It would also be a good idea for you to measure the dimensions of the astronauts in their spacesuits and then measure the actual usable dimensions of the hatch that they had to use to egress and ingress the Lander. Also measure the inside dimensions of the actual Lander and you will see that the astronauts (liars) could not have possibly left or entered in their suits through that hatch. Notice the position of the hinge of the hatch and then examine the Lunar Lander training simulator and measure all the dimensions noted above taking care to note the position of the hinge on the much larger hatch and you may become "illumined"... so to speak.

NASA claims that the space suits worn by the astronauts were pressurized at 5 psi over the ambient pressure (0 psi vacuum) on the moon's surface. We have examined the gloves NASA claims the astronauts wore and find they are made of pliable material containing no mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical devices which would aid the astronauts in the dexterous use of their fingers and hands while wearing the gloves. Experiments prove absolutely that such gloves are impossible to use and that the wearer cannot bend the wrist or fingers to do any dexterous work whatsoever when filled with 5 psi over ambient pressure either in a vacuum or in the earth's atmosphere. NASA actually showed film and television footage of astronauts using their hands and fingers normally during their EVAs on the so-called lunar surface. The films show clearly that there is no pressure whatsoever within the gloves... a condition that would have caused explosive decompression of the astronauts resulting in almost immediate death if they had really been surrounded by the vacuum of space.

If you don't believe it try it yourself... it is a very simple experiment and does not require a rocket scientist to perform. These are just a few of over a hundred very simple and very easy to prove valid scientific reasons why NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world.

We attempted to obtain data on Solar activity and in particular Solar flares which may have been active during the Apollo Moon Missions. We found that data is available for any day of any year during which data has been collected EXCEPT the days and hours of all of the Apollo Moon shots. That data can not be obtained from any government agency including NASA, NOAA, or the Naval Observatory. This is data that is normally collected and would have been used in calculating the dates of launch, dates and times of EVAs, and extreme radiation hazard. It would have been monitored during times of extra vehicular activity (EVA) of the astronauts while on the moon... that is if any astronauts were ever on the moon. The data is not available because it would demonstrate that the so-called astronauts would have been fried crisp. They would have returned to the earth DEAD if they had actually attempted any such missions.

In addition most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of studio photography, studio lighting, and the reality of Lunar physics can easily prove that NASA faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program. No color film known to man, then or now, had or has the latitude to produce the excellent detail found in shadow and highlighted areas of the photographs supposedly taken on the moon. Any professional photographer can tell you that those photographs could only have been produced in a controlled environment using studio lighting and could not possibly have been produced in full sunlight in a vacuum on the moon. Some are so obviously fake that when the discrepancies are pointed out to unsuspecting viewers an audible gasp has been heard. Some have actually gone into a mild state of shock. Some People break down and cry. I have seen others become so angry that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming incoherently.

Kleinknect, the head of Operations at NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now is now a 33rd Degree Freemason who's brother is the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong on the surface of the Moon (supposedly) in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin. All of the senior officials of NASA have been, and are, members of the Illuminati, Marxists, or communists.

The Soviet Union planned only one manned moon mission. Soviet cosmonauts related to me that their astronauts were literally COOKED by the extreme radiation in space when sent into high orbit through the Van Allen Belt. The USSR never again attempted to send men into or above the Van Allen Belt. If man could not survive the extreme radiation of the Van Allen Belt how could they put a man on the Moon? The Soviet Union scrapped their Man On The Moon program.

Very wise researcherRIP William Cooper. Simply a Legend.
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Mugwump wrote:
At some point I'm going to tabulate the total number of unprovoked personal/ad hominem attacks made in this thread and the culprits.

I'm guessing the results will be very interesting on two counts... ;)

No they won't.

As an aside I might start playing Flat Stanley's version of 'why?'
We used to play this at school.
When someone tells you something or asks a question you say 'why?'
A few iterations usually brings complete meltdown.
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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:
Do you accept the existence of the LRO? I mean, if it's not real, who, and how, produces the astonishing array of images? And how do they do it? For example, how did they produce this mosaic of the Moon's north pole, other than from an orbiting craft?
Image


NASA owns some of the best 3D rendering software in existence (why?). It's AT LEAST as good as anything we see from Hollywood. Knowing the insane amounts of money the US military has access to it's probably better. Couple this with enough super-computer time to make Jim Cameron drool and it's pretty apparent that should NASA wish to create highly convincing imagery it can do.

So it really boils down to a question of TRUST, yes?

You trust them. I don't.
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Mugwump wrote:
NASA owns some of the best 3D rendering software in existence (why?). It's AT LEAST as good as anything we see from Hollywood. Knowing the insane amounts of money the US military has access to it's probably better. Couple this with enough super-computer time to make Jim Cameron drool and it's pretty apparent that should NASA wish to create highly convincing imagery it can do.

So it really boils down to a question of TRUST, yes?

You trust them. I don't.


Sums it up perfectly which is the exact point i have been making through this entire thread only to suffer personal attacks....
Some people believe what they are told and others go on facts that they have concluded themselves.
I'm glad i'm the latter of the two.
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