Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:44 am  

Steph Curry wrote:

Proof please that the tories massive 13 point lead will change

Absolutely certain and no proof needed.
Did it not change to get to where it is or, have they always had a 13% lead

And STILL blue eyed boy, Sunak has done nothing to claw back any of the unprecedented public spending - a corporation tax rise in 2023 hardy counts.
NEVER in my life time has any chancellor been able to spend such colossal amounts of cash with out ANY checks and balances.
He suggested that there would be £17billion pounds of cuts in public spending (not yet of course) and no mention as to just where these cuts could come from and his claims were rubbished by the IFS.

It's easy to spend but, a little more difficult to balance the books - lets see how popular he and the Tories are when the the spending spree stops and the "levelling up" begins.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:34 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Absolutely certain and no proof needed.
Did it not change to get to where it is or, have they always had a 13% lead

And STILL blue eyed boy, Sunak has done nothing to claw back any of the unprecedented public spending - a corporation tax rise in 2023 hardy counts.
NEVER in my life time has any chancellor been able to spend such colossal amounts of cash with out ANY checks and balances.
He suggested that there would be £17billion pounds of cuts in public spending (not yet of course) and no mention as to just where these cuts could come from and his claims were rubbished by the IFS.

It's easy to spend but, a little more difficult to balance the books - lets see how popular he and the Tories are when the the spending spree stops and the "levelling up" begins.

But but but but... Jeremy Corbyn would have been even worse!

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:53 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Absolutely certain and no proof needed.
Did it not change to get to where it is or, have they always had a 13% lead

And STILL blue eyed boy, Sunak has done nothing to claw back any of the unprecedented public spending - a corporation tax rise in 2023 hardy counts.
NEVER in my life time has any chancellor been able to spend such colossal amounts of cash with out ANY checks and balances.
He suggested that there would be £17billion pounds of cuts in public spending (not yet of course) and no mention as to just where these cuts could come from and his claims were rubbished by the IFS.

It's easy to spend but, a little more difficult to balance the books - lets see how popular he and the Tories are when the the spending spree stops and the "levelling up" begins.

Go on, just where do you suggest we immediately start clawing back whilst still in the middle of the pandemic?
Even Starmer supports delaying corp.tax rise.

Theres never been a pandemic in your lifetime.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:24 pm  

Well, a million more people will start paying income tax from April, so there's that.
Labour are a shambles and more unelectable than they were with Corbyn.
The Torries have flanked them on several issues, including taxation, Brexit, regional government, and infrastructure investment.
The fact that Labour have managed to fall further behind the tories despite them being completely incompetent says it all, and if the vaccine rollout continues to go well leading into the May elections then I wouldn't surprise to see them increase their majority.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:36 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

But but but but... Jeremy Corbyn would have been even worse!

Well I don’t think many would argue with that

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:47 pm  

ColD wrote:

Well I don’t think many would argue with that

The level of brainwashing in the UK is terrifying.

Re: Kier Starmer : Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:06 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

The level of brainwashing in the UK is terrifying.

It is. They're basically saying, "it might be bad but not as bad as a scenario which only exists hypothetically."

Re: Kier Starmer : Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:42 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

They are freezing the personal allowance for five years. That is a measure which strikes at the real incomes of lower earners with almost surgical precision.

That is not the same as a tax increase is it? That presupposes personal allowance will increase every year? Does it mean they draw less money? Surely the movement in minimum wage is the key factor here - that drives all wages upwards.

Re: Kier Starmer : Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:58 am  

TURFEDOUT wrote:

Go on, just where do you suggest we immediately start clawing back whilst still in the middle of the pandemic?
Even Starmer supports delaying corp.tax rise.

Theres never been a pandemic in your lifetime.

My point is that Sunak is hailed as some kind of "world beating" chancellor and he hasn't begun to be tested yet.
Also just imagine (I know it's hard) but, just imagine if a Labour Chancellor had introduced these measures.

Hell, there is unrest in the Tory ranks at one of their own bringing in some of these measures, just imagine if McDonnel had been in Sunak's seat.

There is a HUGE debt to pay down and the Tories should and hopefully will be judged when they chose juts who this burden will fall upon.
The cast iron certainty is that those at the bottom of the pile will be squeezed ever harder.

Where do you think he will cut the £17 billion of public spending or, maybe there will be another U turn.

Re: Kier Starmer : Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:25 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

My point is that Sunak is hailed as some kind of "world beating" chancellor and he hasn't begun to be tested yet.
Also just imagine (I know it's hard) but, just imagine if a Labour Chancellor had introduced these measures.

Hell, there is unrest in the Tory ranks at one of their own bringing in some of these measures, just imagine if McDonnel had been in Sunak's seat.

There is a HUGE debt to pay down and the Tories should and hopefully will be judged when they chose juts who this burden will fall upon.
The cast iron certainty is that those at the bottom of the pile will be squeezed ever harder.

Where do you think he will cut the £17 billion of public spending or, maybe there will be another U turn.

£17bn - easy - just reduce the level of waste in the public sector - there is currently £83bn in medical negligence claims outstanding in respect of NHS work. Whilst I appreciate things go wrong - a bit more care and your £17bn goes away