Re: Man of the People : Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:05 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

What would you view as being a gracious admission of defeat?

The candidate and party I voted for lost. I’m disappointed (without being remotely surprised), concerned and I hope the country, and indeed the world, takes a different path in the future.

You want Corbyn to ride into #10 on a Unicorn, rip the wealth from achievers to pay for the workshy, If you had your way we'd be back to the 70's, f'd, skint and a global embarassment.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Man of the People : Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:01 pm  

IR80 wrote:

You want Corbyn to ride into #10 on a Unicorn, rip the wealth from achievers to pay for the workshy, If you had your way we'd be back to the 70's, f'd, skint and a global embarassment.

If my ambition were global embarrassment, then Boris Johnson would very much have made me a winner. I know you disliked Corbyn, but try saying something positive about Johnson, as opposed to pointing out somebody else’s flaws... it’s got to be tough, no? If you had to pick one of the traditional seven virtues (Chastity, Temperance, Charity, Diligence, Patience, Kindness and Humility), which would it be? I know we’re talking about a Prime Minister not a potential saint, but (squinting a bit in some cases) i’d give Thatcher diligence, Major humility, Cameron temperance, and May patience. F’it, use an eighth of your own choosing, if you prefer.

I became increasingly ambivalent Corbyn, I admit, to the point where he only started to look good compared with a Conservative party that had defeated UKIP by becoming UKIP.

I think wealth is too concentrated to be healthy for our society, including for the very wealthy (golden cage etc.). A lot of wealth isn’t held by achievers, it is merely inherited. Rent-seeking economic activity and financial churn, come at the expense of innovation and optimal allocation of capital. Our version of capitalism has become distorted, and the need for reform is pretty widely accepted even by capitalists. I’d look at a limited shift from income taxes to wealth taxes - which is something they do in the US, so hardly puts me on the hard left.

Labour’s campaign did have the feel of trying to win over a demographic that no longer exists, based on a nostalgia for the circumstances that led to it’s birth. I might knock the Tories for stealing their rival’s clothes, but Farage-era UKIP attracted voters and they’ve been able to absorb that and ride it to an 80+ seat majority. The other parties have to change now to oust them - probably in some ways I won’t like.

Out of interest, how do you rate the prospect of this Conservative Government vs the most recent previous iterations? Cameron/Osborne and May/Hammond.

Happy New Year.

Re: Man of the People : Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:43 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

If my ambition were global embarrassment, then Boris Johnson would very much have made me a winner. I know you disliked Corbyn, but try saying something positive about Johnson, as opposed to pointing out somebody else’s flaws... it’s got to be tough, no? If you had to pick one of the traditional seven virtues (Chastity, Temperance, Charity, Diligence, Patience, Kindness and Humility), which would it be? I know we’re talking about a Prime Minister not a potential saint, but (squinting a bit in some cases) i’d give Thatcher diligence, Major humility, Cameron temperance, and May patience. F’it, use an eighth of your own choosing, if you prefer.

I became increasingly ambivalent Corbyn, I admit, to the point where he only started to look good compared with a Conservative party that had defeated UKIP by becoming UKIP.

I think wealth is too concentrated to be healthy for our society, including for the very wealthy (golden cage etc.). A lot of wealth isn’t held by achievers, it is merely inherited. Rent-seeking economic activity and financial churn, come at the expense of innovation and optimal allocation of capital. Our version of capitalism has become distorted, and the need for reform is pretty widely accepted even by capitalists. I’d look at a limited shift from income taxes to wealth taxes - which is something they do in the US, so hardly puts me on the hard left.

Labour’s campaign did have the feel of trying to win over a demographic that no longer exists, based on a nostalgia for the circumstances that led to it’s birth. I might knock the Tories for stealing their rival’s clothes, but Farage-era UKIP attracted voters and they’ve been able to absorb that and ride it to an 80+ seat majority. The other parties have to change now to oust them - probably in some ways I won’t like.

Out of interest, how do you rate the prospect of this Conservative Government vs the most recent previous iterations? Cameron/Osborne and May/Hammond.

Happy New Year.

Call it jealousy or envy, you do not like success, deal with it.

Re: Man of the People : Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:52 am  

IR80 wrote:

Call it jealousy or envy, you do not like success, deal with it.

Christ almighty.

Are you a real person or just one of those bots who repeats a pre-determined line when there's a trigger word in the previous post?

Tell us all about you, IR80. What successes have you achieved? How successful are you? What gets you out of bed in the morning? What keeps you going when things are getting you down? We'd all love to know...

[Mild Rover]

Re: Man of the People : Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:35 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Call it jealousy or envy, you do not like success, deal with it.

Are we talking about success purely in terms of wealth accumulation in this context?

The logistics of living with extreme wealth don’t appeal to be honest. Better than being destitute, of course. Once you have enough money, then life is more what you do and what you are than what you have, imo.

The UK’s richest man grew up in Hull. I did not know that. Brexit supporting, off to live in Monaco, Sir James Ratcliffe. Each to their own, but I just can’t imagine being that rich and still basing my life decisions on money. People have different priorities, but I don’t envy him his.

Re: Man of the People : Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:09 pm  

IR80 I note you do not deny that Johnson lied and are happy for him to continue to do so. I look forward to the good times he promises for all and the end to food banks.

Re: Man of the People : Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:30 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

IR80 I note you do not deny that Johnson lied and are happy for him to continue to do so. I look forward to the good times he promises for all and the end to food banks.

Boris won, get over it.
Food banks are just for scroungers and the worthless workshy.

Re: Man of the People : Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:27 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Boris won, get over it.
Food banks are just for scroungers and the worthless workshy.

And there we have the voice of the right.

Re: Man of the People : Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:51 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

And there we have the voice of the right.

Unmarried mothers are the worst.
Prefer fags and booze to feeding their kids then expect a food bank to bail them out.

Re: Man of the People : Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:06 am  

WIZEB wrote:

Unmarried mothers are the worst.
Prefer fags and booze to feeding their kids then expect a food bank to bail them out.

Brilliant, how badly informed can someone actually be