Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:39 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

Capitalism isn't an experiment, socialism has failed, EVERYWHERE, Venezuela, Cuba etc.

But hey, you keep your "metropolitan" belief, we are all entitled to an opinion.

Socialist Democracies function perfectly well in many countries in the world - countries which feature year on year in those lists of best places to live in the world in terms of happiness, wellbeing, access to services etc etc.

Trotting out Venezuela in response to every socialist idea is intellectually vacuous; there is no equivalence between that, and the Labour manifesto - not to mention crippling US sanctions and a desperate attempt to grab oil reserves.

Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:43 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Socialist Democracies function perfectly well in many countries in the world - countries which feature year on year in those lists of best places to live in the world in terms of happiness, wellbeing, access to services etc etc.

Trotting out Venezuela in response to every socialist idea is intellectually vacuous; there is no equivalence between that, and the Labour manifesto - not to mention crippling US sanctions and a desperate attempt to grab oil reserves.

Where are the socialist paradise?

Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:54 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

Where are the socialist paradise?

Democratic socialism - is alive and thriving in Canada, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway and Ireland, for example.

Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:24 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Democratic socialism - is alive and thriving in Canada, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway and Ireland, for example.

If you say so.

You want high taxation, I hope you are happy to pay it, I am not.

Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:31 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

If you say so.

You want high taxation, I hope you are happy to pay it, I am not.

I'm happy to pay more taxes so that everyone in society has better life chances - I'm a right tw*t aren't I?

Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:20 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Democratic socialism - is alive and thriving in Canada, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway and Ireland, for example.

And the majority of those countries are at the top of the democracy league table, whereas the UK is around 15th and the USA around 22nd. So, it always seems strange to me that the USA sees itself as the leader of the free world!

Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:43 pm  

silver2 wrote:

And the majority of those countries are at the top of the democracy league table, whereas the UK is around 15th and the USA around 22nd. So, it always seems strange to me that the USA sees itself as the leader of the free world!

I couldn't agree more - the USA has a worse functioning democracy than we do, with all the same corruption, non-partisan media and wealth inequalities; but they have a tendency to get all patriotic and beat their chests about being the greatest country in the world - which is demonstrably not true.

Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:46 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

I can only speak for myself, but I criticise Diane Abbott because she is thick and incapable, traits which she shares with Mr Grayling.

The fact you have started this thread on Diane Abbott, but haven’t started one on Chris Grayling (who awards a ferry contract to a company without boats, then pays compensation for not tendering the deal in correct way, banned prisoners from reading books, oversaw the failed privatisation of prisons, is responsible for absolute disgraceful state of the railways, or Boris Johnson (who spent millions on a garden bridge that was never built and on water cannons that are illegal to use) proves my point that she is attacked for being a black female. You are not even able to explain why you think Diane Abbott is “thick” “incapable” and “delusional”.

Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:49 pm  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

The fact you have started this thread on Diane Abbott, but haven’t started one on Chris Grayling (who awards a ferry contract to a company without boats, then pays compensation for not tendering the deal in correct way, banned prisoners from reading books, oversaw the failed privatisation of prisons, is responsible for absolute disgraceful state of the railways

Don't forget when he made a quick stop off at the DoJ to completely f**k the legal aid system and put barristers on minimum wage, the lovable scamp.

Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:39 pm  

The Sin Bin may as well be "The Socialist Worker", left wing old people with an axe to grind.