Re: They Died too young : Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:14 am  

Nirvana had far less influence on music than Ozzy osbourne's guitarist. No, really.

Re: They Died too young : Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:21 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Both Cobain and Hendrix did a similar thing. They smashed a great big fsckin hole in the existing walls of rock and dragged the astonished to places they hadn't been before. Cobain did that whilst he lived. It didn't happen after he died. Same with Hendrix. Both came up with something that blew your mind, and both were utterly compelling performers.

Here's a snippet about Hendrix
You are of course perfectly entitled to say Clapton doesn't know what he's on about.

I recall seeing Jeff Beck on TV telling the same tale a few years back, and he said (in a very admiring tone) "he just blew Clapton off his own stage, man !"

Re: They Died too young : Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:31 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Both Cobain and Hendrix did a similar thing. They smashed a great big fsckin hole in the existing walls of rock and dragged the astonished to places they hadn't been before. Cobain did that whilst he lived. It didn't happen after he died. Same with Hendrix. Both came up with something that blew your mind, and both were utterly compelling performers.

Here's a snippet about Hendrix
You are of course perfectly entitled to say Clapton doesn't know what he's on about.

i never said Hendrix wasn't any good, as for Cobain he was nothing more than the poster boy for the made up genre that the masses know as grunge, there was other musicians far more important to that movement than Cobain, and btw i remember when he was alive, he was more famous after he died, Nirvana was nothing more than the Duran Duran of the Seattle scene, Soundgarden, Screaming Trees, Green River, Skin Yard, The Melvins, Tad Doyle and others where the true innovators of the Seattle scene

Re: They Died too young : Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:09 pm  

You damned Hendrix with faint praise. The last thing Cobain wanted was posterboydom. Him ending up dead is probably down to his inability to be that or cope with it. Oh, and poster boys don't tend to write albums like Nevermind, on the whole. It was genius, and still is because it has stood the test of time. Teen Spirit still sounds awesome in 2015 to my ears and it has nothing to do with whether or not Kurt Cobain is fulfilling his wellness potential. Hendrix tracks like Hey Joe or Purple Haze would still be genius in 2015 even if Hendrix was still alive and selling washing machines.

Re: They Died too young : Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:20 pm  

The Mustard Tiger wrote:

i never said Hendrix wasn't any good, as for Cobain he was nothing more than the poster boy for the made up genre that the masses know as grunge, there was other musicians far more important to that movement than Cobain, and btw i remember when he was alive, he was more famous after he died, Nirvana was nothing more than the Duran Duran of the Seattle scene, Soundgarden, Screaming Trees, Green River, Skin Yard, The Melvins, Tad Doyle and others where the true innovators of the Seattle scene

Rattling off obscure names from the Sub Pop label and claiming Nirvana were "Duran Duran" is very much not an argument. I saw Mudhoney on the Sub Pop tour when they played in London at, I think, The Astoria. Tad were supporting and guest opening act were Nirvana. I was a big fan if Mudhoney but Nirvana blew them away. The only interesting thing about Tad's show was Tad stage diving. Tad were boring and monotone.
Nirvana were simply a much better band than any of them - with the possible exception of Soundgarden. Better musicians, better songwriters and Cobain had whatever "it" is that makes a star.
Nevermind was out nearly 12 months before it broke big, if they were "poster boys" then they were poster boys in the way the Beatles were for Mersey Beat.
And Cobain had balls, to release In Utero after Nevermind which Covain thought was far too clean, was amazing. In Utero is a masterpiece.

Sometimes people get jealous when fans outside their world buy into bands from "their" genre and sometimes this same fans resent the success of bands because if this.

Re: They Died too young : Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:11 pm  

The Mustard Tiger wrote:

i never said Hendrix wasn't any good, as for Cobain he was nothing more than the poster boy for the made up genre that the masses know as grunge, there was other musicians far more important to that movement than Cobain, and btw i remember when he was alive, he was more famous after he died, Nirvana was nothing more than the Duran Duran of the Seattle scene, Soundgarden, Screaming Trees, Green River, Skin Yard, The Melvins, Tad Doyle and others where the true innovators of the Seattle scene

I'd just like to add that I've never heard of any of these popular beat combos, but I'm still way, way cooler than anyone else, its just the law.

Re: They Died too young : Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:17 pm  

It isn't.

I know way more about Afrobeat than you.

Therefore, I am the coolest.

Re: They Died too young : Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:32 pm  

Hendrix is one of the few that I think would have gone on to achieve greater things had he lived. He wasn't the best guitarist, in fact, he was very sloppy and was aided by the fact he had hands like tarantulas to move around the neck. But, like Cobain he took popular rock music to a place he hadn't been before and laid the foundations that hard rock and metal would be built on. Now, if you're not a fan of them then that's fine, but to argue their importance is lunacy IMO.

Re: They Died too young : Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:23 pm  

Don't underestimate the value of the production quality of 'Nevermind' towards its success.

There are any number of any great songs/albums out there that are hard to truly enjoy due to poor production - and it's not unreasonable to say Nirvana could have gone that way if they had ended up with a similar sound to, say, Misfits. Butch Vig did a great job (he even tricked Cobain into recording vocal overlays), as did the final mixer (who incidentally mixed Slayer's 'Seasons in the Abyss', their best sounding album by far imo).

Their songs were very simple but catchy, and they were great live. But more than that they were in the right place at the right time. Is Cobain worthy of his legendary status? Not in my opinion, as much as I love their music.

Re: They Died too young : Fri May 01, 2015 12:33 pm  

It is irrelevant that there are better lesser known artists.
Hendrix and Cobain did the business and played to a wide audience when it mattered and when they were relevant.
To say Hendix was not the most technically gifted guitarist is purile.
Who gives a poop, he was brilliantly different.
I loved him. Loved his voice too.

The Cobain sound was terrific.

Why criticise movers and shakers like these.
Thank goodness they were there to enrich our lives.