Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:21 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Did anyone see Andrew Neil destroy Harman on Sunday Politics yesterday on all matters to do with the economy and the cost of living. Labour's insistence to try and keep that lovely 'Cost of Living Crisis' sound bite on the agenda is making them look ridiculous when the statistics just are not showing any such crisis.

Labour should really try and steer the agenda away from the economy at the general election if they want to win.

Soundbites are all that is required to win votes and elections - if you can convince enough people that they are not feeling particularly wealthy despite the opposition crowing on all the time about a booming economy then you will take seats, statistics will prove anything and the truth comes no-where near a politicians lips at election time.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:58 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Soundbites are all that is required to win votes and elections - if you can convince enough people that they are not feeling particularly wealthy despite the opposition crowing on all the time about a booming economy then you will take seats, statistics will prove anything and the truth comes no-where near a politicians lips at election time.

Quite frankly I can't see Labour's pathetic leadership 2 Eds, Cooper, Harman, etc convincing anybody. They are truly wet and hopeless.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:58 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Soundbites are all that is required to win votes and elections - if you can convince enough people that they are not feeling particularly wealthy despite the opposition crowing on all the time about a booming economy then you will take seats, statistics will prove anything and the truth comes no-where near a politicians lips at election time.

Quite frankly I can't see Labour's pathetic leadership 2 Eds, Cooper, Harman, etc convincing anybody. They are truly wet and hopeless.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:33 pm  

Dally wrote:

Quite frankly I can't see Labour's pathetic leadership 2 Eds, Cooper, Harman, etc convincing anybody. They are truly wet and hopeless.

Neither can I but they have nothing left to seel to the public but soundbites and victimisation, there's a lot left to fix but I don't think they have any more clue as to what to do and what order to do it in that the current incumbents have, I certainly can't see any form of leadership in their party and would trust Brown/Darling again more than Miliband and Balls.

On a lighter note and as a fan of the Pink Panther movies the Graham Stark character who owned the fancy dress shop that supplied Inspector Clouseau's disguises was called Balls and I feel that a Prime Minister Balls would be an excellent comedy role, cue Clouseau walking through the shop on his knees in Toulouse Lautrec disguise shouting "Balls, you're a genius!"

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:59 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Neither can I but they have nothing left to seel to the public but soundbites and victimisation, there's a lot left to fix but I don't think they have any more clue as to what to do and what order to do it in that the current incumbents have, I certainly can't see any form of leadership in their party and would trust Brown/Darling again more than Miliband and Balls.

On a lighter note and as a fan of the Pink Panther movies the Graham Stark character who owned the fancy dress shop that supplied Inspector Clouseau's disguises was called Balls and I feel that a Prime Minister Balls would be an excellent comedy role, cue Clouseau walking through the shop on his knees in Toulouse Lautrec disguise shouting "Balls, you're a genius!"

"Yes..yes..I know that"

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:09 am  

Dally wrote:

Quite frankly I can't see Labour's pathetic leadership 2 Eds, Cooper, Harman, etc convincing anybody. They are truly wet and hopeless.

I'd like to have been there when Ed marginally won leadership of Labour over his seemingly much better suited brother David.

Surely someone must have taken a step back, realised what had happened and said "woah woah woah, have a look will ya!"

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:54 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

I'd like to have been there when Ed marginally won leadership of Labour over his seemingly much better suited brother David.

Surely someone must have taken a step back, realised what had happened and said "woah woah woah, have a look will ya!"

So you think David would have made the difference do ya?
I must have been missing this towering colossus and inspirational heavyweight whilst he was contributing to British mainstream politics.
Not for me, and his brother isn't any better.

Maybe Danczuk was right?
Maybe the Labour Party has been hijacked by the North London liberal elite?

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:58 am  

I think his brother was and still is far better suited to the role of leader. He's more natural looking and sounding on TV and would have been able to push Cameron more on issues.
However I honestly think Labours biggest weakness isn't Ed Milliband but Ed Balls. Making him shadow Chancellor was Millibands biggest mistake. He just doesn't connect with anyone. He doesn't come across as knowledgeable and a safe pair of hands like Brown did. And he struggles with speeches, so any time there's a big economic thing in parliament like the budget Labour can't fight back because Ed Balls cant manage his speech.
If Labour had had David Milliband as leader along with someone else as shadow Chancellor then I think Labour would be in a much stronger position.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:51 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

So you think David would have made the difference do ya?
I must have been missing this towering colossus and inspirational heavyweight whilst he was contributing to British mainstream politics.
Not for me, and his brother isn't any better.

Maybe Danczuk was right?
Maybe the Labour Party has been hijacked by the North London liberal elite?

That happened in Ramsey Macdonalds time and little has changed since, imo of course.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:08 am  

Ovavoo wrote:

That happened in Ramsey Macdonalds time and little has changed since, imo of course.

Aye, but it was a long way from Morayshire to Primrose Hill in the 19th Century.