Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:33 pm  

Dally wrote:

"Grubby"?

At best.

Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:33 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

To clarify, you are accusing me of prejudice and having a closed mind because I don't accept the possibility that homosexuality is the result of some sort of mental illness?

Wow.

Illness / abnormality / whatever you want to call it - then, yes.

Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:35 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Yes.

Is that it then?
No defence of a) Your views or b) Your lack of cojones in backing them up?

Which views? I am not sure that I have expressed any. I have not looked back to check - maybe you could just explain the views you are referring to?

Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:40 pm  

Dally wrote:

Illness / abnormality / whatever you want to call it - then, yes.

Dally wrote:

Which views? I am not sure that I have expressed any. I have not looked back to check - maybe you could just explain the views you are referring to?

That's your last two posts. In reference to mental health you appear to be equating homosexuality with "Illness/abnormality".

Hardly neutral terms. From equating homosexuality with those terms it doesn't take a giant leap for one to assume that you see homosexuality as a negative.

Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:44 pm  

Sandra The Terrorist wrote:

That's your last two posts. In reference to mental health you appear to be equating homosexuality with "Illness/abnormality".

Hardly neutral terms. From equating homosexuality with those terms it doesn't take a giant leap for one to assume that you see homosexuality as a negative.

It's arguably progress – in the past, he's illustrated that his views on homosexuality are pretty much in line with those of Robert Mugabe.

Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:48 pm  

Sandra The Terrorist wrote:

That's your last two posts. In reference to mental health you appear to be equating homosexuality with "Illness/abnormality".

Hardly neutral terms. From equating homosexuality with those terms it doesn't take a giant leap for one to assume that you see homosexuality as a negative.

You are failing to understand what has been written. I am not equating anything, just pointing out the bias of someone who denies the possibility.

Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:58 pm  

Dally wrote:

You are failing to understand what has been written. I am not equating anything, just pointing out the bias of someone who denies the possibility.

To accept that possibility, you'd have to be starting from the position that homosexuality is somehow 'wrong' or 'abnormal'. Which would make you a disgusting bigot.

Even then, there's not a single shred of evidence to support the 'possibility', so I treat it exactly the same as anything else for which there is no evidence.

Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:02 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

To accept that possibility, you'd have to be starting from the position that homosexuality is somehow 'wrong' or 'abnormal'. Which would make you a disgusting bigot.

Even then, there's not a single shred of evidence to support the 'possibility', so I treat it exactly the same as anything else for which there is no evidence.

No it wouldn't.

Well the linked article (if true) suggests the possibility! Also, a cursory look via your search engine at studies might suggest the possibility.

Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:07 pm  

Dally wrote: No it wouldn't. Well the linked article (if true) suggests the possibility! Also, a cursory look via your search engine at studies might suggest the possibility. Ah, we seem to have gone from 'arguably proves' to 'might suggest the possibility'. Your change in rhetoric aside, I'd be interested for you to show how the article you linked to 'might suggest the possibility' that homosexuality is the result of mental illness or abnormality. Edit: a quick google search did not throw up any studies supporting Dally's grubby little hypothesis. I did find this, however. An excerpt: Is homosexuality a mental disorder? No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Dally wrote: No it wouldn't. Well the linked article (if true) suggests the possibility! Also, a cursory look via your search engine at studies might suggest the possibility. Ah, we seem to have gone from 'arguably proves' to 'might suggest the possibility'. Your change in rhetoric aside, I'd be interested for you to show how the article you linked to 'might suggest the possibility' that homosexuality is the result of mental illness or abnormality. Edit: a quick google search did not throw up any studies supporting Dally's grubby little hypothesis. I did find this, however. An excerpt: Is homosexuality a mental disorder? No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Re: Be careful in the gym....... : Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:29 pm  

clearly taking snippets of my wording to fit it your argument, I made the point that it would be a fair assumption that given that somebody who's mental wiring had changed and then turned homosexual would indicate a mental relation to homosexuality. BUT there was no proof that this happened so it was a flawed article.