Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 12, 2017 11:06 am  

headhunter wrote:

If this manifesto was being delivered by a clean-cut, slick-talking, confident leader you would be praising it, as would everyone else and it would be a huge landslide victory for Labour. This election is a joke and, like the last US election, is concrete proof that winning an election is nothing to do with politics whatsoever, it's solely about creating and manipulating a certain rhetoric about your opponent.

No it wouldn't - the assumptions as to the way its funded is completely bonkers. It assumes you can increase CT by several % points and your take will increase. What do you think very sophisticated business leaders are going to do just lay down and take it? Labour may get a gain year 1 but they will see diminishing returns thereafter. The idea that you will get the likes Apple/Google to pay the correct amount of tax is crazy they are already paying the legal correct amount of CT. That is the issue about CT its an international arrangement and unless you change the global rules you are stuffed.

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 12, 2017 11:22 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So he said growth would drop from 2% to 1.9%. Inflation will be caused by exchange rate differences if the currency settles down then the inflation differential i.e. 2.7% to 2% wage inflation will be reduced.

Hardly armageddon.

No, clearly not, armageddon but, the first significant shift in interest rates, which will have to change as soon as inflation starts to increase, will cause panic amongst the masses, many of whom have over borrowed due to the ridiculously low interest rates, which are taken as the norm.

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 12, 2017 11:27 am  

And in the middle of all the rhetoric, spin and misguided proclamations by so-called Labour supporters - the IFS have quietly announced that the Labour manifesto has been fully costed and stacks up...

An earlier poster nailed it - the measures of societal success we seem so obsessed with are just one part of the story; GDP, rates of employment etc - what we seem to forget are the more important underpinnings such as equality of opportunity, education, wellbeing, support when people hit difficulties in life - the latter create the former, and to forget that and try to run a country as if it were a corporation, is an error.

If nothing changes, everything stays the same.

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 12, 2017 12:07 pm  

what percentage of manifesto pledges actually go through once elected party get in?

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 12, 2017 12:54 pm  

bren2k wrote:

And in the middle of all the rhetoric, spin and misguided proclamations by so-called Labour supporters - the IFS have quietly announced that the Labour manifesto has been fully costed and stacks up...

An earlier poster nailed it - the measures of societal success we seem so obsessed with are just one part of the story; GDP, rates of employment etc - what we seem to forget are the more important underpinnings such as equality of opportunity, education, wellbeing, support when people hit difficulties in life - the latter create the former, and to forget that and try to run a country as if it were a corporation, is an error.

If nothing changes, everything stays the same.

Provided the CT revenues flow in at the required levels - that is a huge if

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 12, 2017 1:35 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Provided the CT revenues flow in at the required levels - that is a huge if

As is believing that May will bring immigration down to the 10's of 000's, despite failing to do so after 3 previous commitments; or that pensions will go up in line with inflation, despite her refusing to say otherwise; or that personal taxation will not go up under a Tory government, despite her refusal to confirm or deny; of that Brexit will be good for Britain - surely the biggest if of all?

That's kind of how it works - parties make promises and commitments in their manifesto - and its up to the public to decide if they believe they are realistic and achievable? I guess the big difference in this era of media controlled messaging, is that the Labour commitments are held to much higher levels of scrutiny pre-election, than the Tory ones.

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 12, 2017 3:50 pm  

As is believing that May will bring immigration down to the 10's of 000'

In the EU we had no control over Immigration from EU countries whereas in the future we will have. It was a bizarre commitment to make when realistically you had no control over it. Non EU countries was something we could have controlled but possibly didn't do as well as we could.

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 12, 2017 5:51 pm  

JC4PM all day long. Far more charismatic, intelligent and articulate than May. Plus, he doesn't lose importantl documents about peadophillia like May, nor would he sell weapons to terrorists like May does. Btw Dally, I'm sure you got excited about today's Daily Mail front page which was absolute lies. But hey ho, I'm sure you bought it, just like every other person who read it. Unfortunately we live in an age where 95% of the population are influenced by what the media tell us.

victims of child abuse? F*** em. Victims of domestic abuse? F*** em. Workers? F*** em. Unemployed? F*** em. Homeless? F*** em. Welcome to life under the tories. How on earth the tories can get away with changing 80 years of child protection laws and get away with it is beyond me. I'm sure everyone is now googling it because their paper of choice never told them this. Of course you won't, thresa may has hired the PR firm that represented those that hacked dead children's phones . That says it all.

Regards

King James

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 12, 2017 5:54 pm  

Oh and cuts to education! Well played tories! Cuts to education! Fantastic!

Regards

King James

Re: General Election 8th June : Sat May 13, 2017 9:30 am  

Lebron James wrote:

Oh and cuts to education! Well played tories! Cuts to education! Fantastic!

Regards

King James

They have their priorities right though - free vote on reintroduction of fox-hunting. Forget the plebs, give the landed a bit if fun.