Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:44 pm  

BobbyD wrote: The London Evening Standard? http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-un ... rnalSearch Yes, when I get the time to trawl back through my twitter timeline I'll provide the link

BobbyD wrote: The London Evening Standard? http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-un ... rnalSearch Yes, when I get the time to trawl back through my twitter timeline I'll provide the link

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:59 pm  

I heard a foodbank manager on the radio yesterday, when questioned about the nutritional value of a typical basket, stated that they tried to offer a balanced selection but were sometimes hampered logistically - many foodbanks have no facility for handling fresh, chilled or frozen foods. He also admitted that some had asked for "convenience" food but further investigation showed that the voucher holder didn't have the money to feed their meter to cook food.

I'll also try to find a link to Katie Hopkins blog on Huffington Post where she asserts that many female recipients are swapping their jam rags for a rock of crack

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:35 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Yes, when I get the time to trawl back through my twitter timeline I'll provide the link

Out-smarted once again - why does everyone find it so easy?

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:24 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Out-smarted once again - why does everyone find it so easy?

What on earth are you on about now fool?

It's especially funny coming from someone who bemoans the systemic abuse of the welfare state, quoting apocryphal examples of hus own family members being involved in such abuse, yet has never reported such abuse to the relevant authorities

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:26 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

I'll also try to find a link to Katie Hopkins blog on Huffington Post where she asserts that many female recipients are swapping their jam rags for a rock of crack

Bloody druggies.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:37 pm  

Him wrote: GDP per Capita when the Coalition came to power - 32809 Latest GDP per Capita - 32722 Thanks for proving the GDP per capita figures have fallen since 2010. Lord Elpers wrote: Do you still stand by this? Him wrote: Yes. The graphs kindly provided show this. Along with real wages falling and historically fast population growth there's little reason to assume it's going to increase significantly in the short term. I would imagine it will stay relatively flat. Boosted a little by falling unemployment but hampered by falling real wages, population growth and underemployment. It's just a guess as to which force will be slightly stronger than the others. It looks to me that the figure you quoted ie 32809 was for the end of 2011 and not 2010. The coalition came to power in the 2nd quarter of 2010. So was this a misreading of graphs error or a deliberate error to mislead? http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-per-capita-ppp

Him wrote: GDP per Capita when the Coalition came to power - 32809 Latest GDP per Capita - 32722 Thanks for proving the GDP per capita figures have fallen since 2010. Lord Elpers wrote: Do you still stand by this? Him wrote: Yes. The graphs kindly provided show this. Along with real wages falling and historically fast population growth there's little reason to assume it's going to increase significantly in the short term. I would imagine it will stay relatively flat. Boosted a little by falling unemployment but hampered by falling real wages, population growth and underemployment. It's just a guess as to which force will be slightly stronger than the others. It looks to me that the figure you quoted ie 32809 was for the end of 2011 and not 2010. The coalition came to power in the 2nd quarter of 2010. So was this a misreading of graphs error or a deliberate error to mislead? http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-per-capita-ppp

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:17 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

What on earth are you on about now fool?

It's especially funny coming from someone who bemoans the systemic abuse of the welfare state, quoting apocryphal examples of hus own family members being involved in such abuse, yet has never reported such abuse to the relevant authorities

Ah, but it's only 'Champagne socialists' who Sal expects to abide by any standards – and even then, not their own but the ones that he reckons they have/should have, even though he cannot then lay out those same standards.

So when he does it, it's not hypocrisy of double standards at all.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:11 pm  

Speaking of austerity, will be interesting to see how the Financial Conduct Authority's first major fraud trial pans out. The defendants currently cannot get barristers to represent them as no Chambers will agree to act for the reduced legal aid rates. The judge told the defendants in a preliminary hearing that they may need to defend themselves. So will it transpire they'll need to go to trial without representation and thereby formalise the fact that justice will only be open to the mega-rich in future or will, in the name of austerity, hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money presumably already spent in preparing the prosecution case be written off (defence arguing cannot have a fair trial without representation in such a complex case)? Either way is justice served or public money wisely spent?

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:52 am  

Mintball wrote:

Ah, but it's only 'Champagne socialists' who Sal expects to abide by any standards – and even then, not their own but the ones that he reckons they have/should have, even though he cannot then lay out those same standards.

So when he does it, it's not hypocrisy of double standards at all.

Neat swerve once again.

What I said was this - the hypocrisy is the likes of McClusky speaking about equality and social justice from his ivory tower i.e £120k salary, plus nice car, plus final salary pension scheme all funded by members who will never enjoy such benefits. You really need to read what is written not what you want to it to say.

As I said I have no issue with how much anyone earns and I don't apologise for what I earn nor do I begrudge my bosses - two of which earned >800k last year.

Now where are we on you proving or retracting where you claimed I said nobody should get a pay rise because I hadn't had one? You see two can play this game!!

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:51 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

What I said was this - the hypocrisy is the likes of McClusky speaking about equality and social justice from his ivory tower i.e £120k salary, plus nice car, plus final salary pension scheme all funded by members who will never enjoy such benefits.

Why can MPs who represent the whole of the electorate manage on much lower salaries and still get criticised? These union leaders often take from the poorly paid to fund their fat cat life-styles. If they have conviction and members interests at heart they should not be accepting or demanding such pay. As you say, hypocrisy of the very worst kind.