Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:38 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Sadly, it has I fear indeed run its course. Stan has retreated into his shell, and is now totally impervious to questions, while his bizarre quotient increases by factors daily. The fun there was is rapidly disappearing.

However the big boss (not Stan) has gone off to revise his science to come back refreshed with squillions of references and links to amaze us.
Can't wait.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:43 am  

Mugwump wrote: The laws of light and photography are cast in stone. Anyone who understands them can immediately spot problem lighting. Even you. Or are you saying these laws don't apply on the moon? Photo Evidence: (All this photo evidence is well-documented at http://www.aulis.com and all available from NASA photo directories) There are dozens of photos showing shadows of astronauts, flags, rocks and other objects falling in different directions up to 90 degrees apart; this is impossible without secondary lighting which was not brought to the moon, the only light is the sun coming from one direction which casts all shadows in one direction, not two Again those with a keen eye on photography would no doubt spot the glaring anomalies.

Mugwump wrote: The laws of light and photography are cast in stone. Anyone who understands them can immediately spot problem lighting. Even you. Or are you saying these laws don't apply on the moon? Photo Evidence: (All this photo evidence is well-documented at http://www.aulis.com and all available from NASA photo directories) There are dozens of photos showing shadows of astronauts, flags, rocks and other objects falling in different directions up to 90 degrees apart; this is impossible without secondary lighting which was not brought to the moon, the only light is the sun coming from one direction which casts all shadows in one direction, not two Again those with a keen eye on photography would no doubt spot the glaring anomalies.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:44 am  

In one Apollo 17 shot (AS17-140-21370) the moon rover is shown still packed up, not yet unloaded, but there are clear wheel tracks going across the foreground of the entire photo. Also there is one Apollo 12 shot that shows the reflection of what can only be an overhead studio light, and another (AS12-49-7278) which shows two lens flares from overhead lighting


These NASA discrepancies are glaringly obvious. Anybody who's ignorant to these fallacies have cognitive bias issues and obviously not truth seekers.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:44 am  

FLAT STANLEY wrote: Photo Evidence: (All this photo evidence is well-documented at http://www.aulis.com and all available from NASA photo directories) There are dozens of photos showing shadows of astronauts, flags, rocks and other objects falling in different directions up to 90 degrees apart; this is impossible without secondary lighting which was not brought to the moon, the only light is the sun coming from one direction which casts all shadows in one direction, not two Again those with a keen eye on photography would no doubt spot the glaring anomalies. There is plenty of stuff explaining all that .... but you are not interested. Do you honestly think that the developers of these photos and those that released them would NOT have noticed what you point out? Isn't that in a way showing how real they actually are and how things are not as straightforward as people like you try to point out? Stick two poles in the ground ... one vertical, one at forty five degrees to it as you look at them. Let the sun cast a shadow ....what do you see in all but two orientations? Two parallel lines? Grow up!

FLAT STANLEY wrote: Photo Evidence: (All this photo evidence is well-documented at http://www.aulis.com and all available from NASA photo directories) There are dozens of photos showing shadows of astronauts, flags, rocks and other objects falling in different directions up to 90 degrees apart; this is impossible without secondary lighting which was not brought to the moon, the only light is the sun coming from one direction which casts all shadows in one direction, not two Again those with a keen eye on photography would no doubt spot the glaring anomalies. There is plenty of stuff explaining all that .... but you are not interested. Do you honestly think that the developers of these photos and those that released them would NOT have noticed what you point out? Isn't that in a way showing how real they actually are and how things are not as straightforward as people like you try to point out? Stick two poles in the ground ... one vertical, one at forty five degrees to it as you look at them. Let the sun cast a shadow ....what do you see in all but two orientations? Two parallel lines? Grow up!

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:22 pm  

A very good argument for me was this.
If you type Moon Hoax - latest proof July 2015 in a well known video sharing site it is a video by wakeman449
It is a very informative video and proves 100% we never went to the moon and nobody can really argue the fact of the video.
Main steam media at its best

P.S sorry i don't know how to post links like others have done above as i know links to said video site is against AUP

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:52 pm  

Stand-Offish wrote: There is plenty of stuff explaining all that .... but you are not interested. Do you honestly think that the developers of these photos and those that released them would NOT have noticed what you point out? Isn't that in a way showing how real they actually are and how things are not as straightforward as people like you try to point out? Stick two poles in the ground ... one vertical, one at forty five degrees to it as you look at them. Let the sun cast a shadow ....what do you see? Two parallel lines? Grow up! You're ignorance and cognitive bias is blinding. Regardless to the above anomalies I'll provide many more blindingly obvious fraudulent pieces of yet unanswered questions or queries from NASA NASA made all networks record their feed for TV broadcast, so that’s why we only ever see the grainy recording of a recording on TV, and now NASA says they lost the original high-definition video and data telemetry tapes so they can never be verified. Nice coincidence. Blueprints and designs of certain machines are missing from both NASA and the companies which supposedly constructed them such as the Apollo Lunar Module and rover Van Allen Belt, Russians could never get beyond because of intense radiation that requires 4 feet of lead shielding too heavy to rocket into orbit; and in 1969-70 the Van Allen Belt was at it’s 11 year cycle peak radiation yet somehow American astronauts and their film was able to survive this without shielding There are no stars in any of the moon pictures/video, just complete darkness; they couldn’t make a perfect model in a studio, even a planetarium layout can only be seen in absolute darkness, spotlighting from the “sun” would block out the “star” lighting; so they cover this by saying the sun is SO bright on the moon that the astronauts couldn’t remember seeing stars either The moon walk is in half-speed slow-motion; if you speed it up x2 the astronauts are clearly in Earth gravity walking normally with long strides The flag in many photos and videos is shown flapping in the wind on the supposedly atmosphere-less moon Werner Von Braun took a NASA team to Antarctica in 1967 and was purported to be collecting “moon rocks.” Later Bill Kaysing (author of “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle”) hired his private investigator friend Paul Jacobs to check with the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington and ask, “did you examine the Moon rocks, and did they come from the Moon?” The geologist simply laughed and insinuated that people high in the US government knew all about the cover-up. 11 Apollo astronauts were mysteriously killed before making their missions, 3 had oxygen pumped into their test capsule until it exploded, 7 died in 6 separate plane crashes, and 1 died in a car crash, highly unlikely coincidence, points towards a cover-up The astronauts rarely give public interviews or take questions at speaking events and were very unconvincing on their first interview back from the moon Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel who called him out on the hoax after he wouldn’t place his hand on the Bible and say he went to the moon Buzz Aldrin Jr. (Apollo 11), Gordon Cooper Jr., (Mercury 9, Gemini 5), Donn Eisele (Apollo 7), John Glenn Jr., (Mercury 6), Virgil Grissom (Apollo 1&15, Mercury 5, Gemini 3), James Irwin (Apollo 15), Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14), Walter Schirra Jr. (Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6, Mercury, Thomas Stafford (Apollo 10&18, Gemini 7&9), and Paul Weitz (Skylab 2, Challenger), all these astronauts are Masons The first director of NASA was Werner Von Braun one of hundreds of NAZI rocket scientists brought into America through the OSS Project Paperclip Nazis and Masons are not the most historically trustworthy folks Why didn’t NASA make some sort of light/flare display from the moon that people could see without their TVs to prove they were there? Why no colour video on Apollo 11 when we know the astronauts had a colour camera with them? In reply to s to tigermans comment Is This It.

Stand-Offish wrote: There is plenty of stuff explaining all that .... but you are not interested. Do you honestly think that the developers of these photos and those that released them would NOT have noticed what you point out? Isn't that in a way showing how real they actually are and how things are not as straightforward as people like you try to point out? Stick two poles in the ground ... one vertical, one at forty five degrees to it as you look at them. Let the sun cast a shadow ....what do you see? Two parallel lines? Grow up! You're ignorance and cognitive bias is blinding. Regardless to the above anomalies I'll provide many more blindingly obvious fraudulent pieces of yet unanswered questions or queries from NASA NASA made all networks record their feed for TV broadcast, so that’s why we only ever see the grainy recording of a recording on TV, and now NASA says they lost the original high-definition video and data telemetry tapes so they can never be verified. Nice coincidence. Blueprints and designs of certain machines are missing from both NASA and the companies which supposedly constructed them such as the Apollo Lunar Module and rover Van Allen Belt, Russians could never get beyond because of intense radiation that requires 4 feet of lead shielding too heavy to rocket into orbit; and in 1969-70 the Van Allen Belt was at it’s 11 year cycle peak radiation yet somehow American astronauts and their film was able to survive this without shielding There are no stars in any of the moon pictures/video, just complete darkness; they couldn’t make a perfect model in a studio, even a planetarium layout can only be seen in absolute darkness, spotlighting from the “sun” would block out the “star” lighting; so they cover this by saying the sun is SO bright on the moon that the astronauts couldn’t remember seeing stars either The moon walk is in half-speed slow-motion; if you speed it up x2 the astronauts are clearly in Earth gravity walking normally with long strides The flag in many photos and videos is shown flapping in the wind on the supposedly atmosphere-less moon Werner Von Braun took a NASA team to Antarctica in 1967 and was purported to be collecting “moon rocks.” Later Bill Kaysing (author of “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle”) hired his private investigator friend Paul Jacobs to check with the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington and ask, “did you examine the Moon rocks, and did they come from the Moon?” The geologist simply laughed and insinuated that people high in the US government knew all about the cover-up. 11 Apollo astronauts were mysteriously killed before making their missions, 3 had oxygen pumped into their test capsule until it exploded, 7 died in 6 separate plane crashes, and 1 died in a car crash, highly unlikely coincidence, points towards a cover-up The astronauts rarely give public interviews or take questions at speaking events and were very unconvincing on their first interview back from the moon Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel who called him out on the hoax after he wouldn’t place his hand on the Bible and say he went to the moon Buzz Aldrin Jr. (Apollo 11), Gordon Cooper Jr., (Mercury 9, Gemini 5), Donn Eisele (Apollo 7), John Glenn Jr., (Mercury 6), Virgil Grissom (Apollo 1&15, Mercury 5, Gemini 3), James Irwin (Apollo 15), Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14), Walter Schirra Jr. (Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6, Mercury, Thomas Stafford (Apollo 10&18, Gemini 7&9), and Paul Weitz (Skylab 2, Challenger), all these astronauts are Masons The first director of NASA was Werner Von Braun one of hundreds of NAZI rocket scientists brought into America through the OSS Project Paperclip Nazis and Masons are not the most historically trustworthy folks Why didn’t NASA make some sort of light/flare display from the moon that people could see without their TVs to prove they were there? Why no colour video on Apollo 11 when we know the astronauts had a colour camera with them? In reply to s to tigermans comment Is This It.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:00 pm  

tigerman1231 wrote:

A very good argument for me was this.
If you type Moon Hoax - latest proof July 2015 in a well known video sharing site it is a video by wakeman449
It is a very informative video and proves 100% we never went to the moon and nobody can really argue the fact of the video.
Main steam media at its best

P.S sorry i don't know how to post links like others have done above as i know links to said video site is against AUP

Classic .... more like a spoof video.

I can just imagine the narrator finding out that they had overshoes ...'vell vere are dey?' .....'I zuppoze dat dey left zem on ze moon, exzept dat dey didn't go in de first plaze'.
Quality.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:50 pm  

FLAT STANLEY wrote: You're ignorance and cognitive bias is blinding. Regardless to the above anomalies I'll provide many more blindingly obvious fraudulent pieces of yet unanswered questions or queries from NASA NASA made all networks record their feed for TV broadcast, so that’s why we only ever see the grainy recording of a recording on TV, and now NASA says they lost the original high-definition video and data telemetry tapes so they can never be verified. Nice coincidence. Blueprints and designs of certain machines are missing from both NASA and the companies which supposedly constructed them such as the Apollo Lunar Module and rover Van Allen Belt, Russians could never get beyond because of intense radiation that requires 4 feet of lead shielding too heavy to rocket into orbit; and in 1969-70 the Van Allen Belt was at it’s 11 year cycle peak radiation yet somehow American astronauts and their film was able to survive this without shielding There are no stars in any of the moon pictures/video, just complete darkness; they couldn’t make a perfect model in a studio, even a planetarium layout can only be seen in absolute darkness, spotlighting from the “sun” would block out the “star” lighting; so they cover this by saying the sun is SO bright on the moon that the astronauts couldn’t remember seeing stars either The moon walk is in half-speed slow-motion; if you speed it up x2 the astronauts are clearly in Earth gravity walking normally with long strides The flag in many photos and videos is shown flapping in the wind on the supposedly atmosphere-less moon Werner Von Braun took a NASA team to Antarctica in 1967 and was purported to be collecting “moon rocks.” Later Bill Kaysing (author of “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle”) hired his private investigator friend Paul Jacobs to check with the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington and ask, “did you examine the Moon rocks, and did they come from the Moon?” The geologist simply laughed and insinuated that people high in the US government knew all about the cover-up. 11 Apollo astronauts were mysteriously killed before making their missions, 3 had oxygen pumped into their test capsule until it exploded, 7 died in 6 separate plane crashes, and 1 died in a car crash, highly unlikely coincidence, points towards a cover-up The astronauts rarely give public interviews or take questions at speaking events and were very unconvincing on their first interview back from the moon Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel who called him out on the hoax after he wouldn’t place his hand on the Bible and say he went to the moon Buzz Aldrin Jr. (Apollo 11), Gordon Cooper Jr., (Mercury 9, Gemini 5), Donn Eisele (Apollo 7), John Glenn Jr., (Mercury 6), Virgil Grissom (Apollo 1&15, Mercury 5, Gemini 3), James Irwin (Apollo 15), Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14), Walter Schirra Jr. (Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6, Mercury, Thomas Stafford (Apollo 10&18, Gemini 7&9), and Paul Weitz (Skylab 2, Challenger), all these astronauts are Masons The first director of NASA was Werner Von Braun one of hundreds of NAZI rocket scientists brought into America through the OSS Project Paperclip Nazis and Masons are not the most historically trustworthy folks Why didn’t NASA make some sort of light/flare display from the moon that people could see without their TVs to prove they were there? Why no colour video on Apollo 11 when we know the astronauts had a colour camera with them? In reply to s to tigermans comment Is This It. Do you speak like this in real life? Are you some sort of pseudo Bond villain?

FLAT STANLEY wrote: You're ignorance and cognitive bias is blinding. Regardless to the above anomalies I'll provide many more blindingly obvious fraudulent pieces of yet unanswered questions or queries from NASA NASA made all networks record their feed for TV broadcast, so that’s why we only ever see the grainy recording of a recording on TV, and now NASA says they lost the original high-definition video and data telemetry tapes so they can never be verified. Nice coincidence. Blueprints and designs of certain machines are missing from both NASA and the companies which supposedly constructed them such as the Apollo Lunar Module and rover Van Allen Belt, Russians could never get beyond because of intense radiation that requires 4 feet of lead shielding too heavy to rocket into orbit; and in 1969-70 the Van Allen Belt was at it’s 11 year cycle peak radiation yet somehow American astronauts and their film was able to survive this without shielding There are no stars in any of the moon pictures/video, just complete darkness; they couldn’t make a perfect model in a studio, even a planetarium layout can only be seen in absolute darkness, spotlighting from the “sun” would block out the “star” lighting; so they cover this by saying the sun is SO bright on the moon that the astronauts couldn’t remember seeing stars either The moon walk is in half-speed slow-motion; if you speed it up x2 the astronauts are clearly in Earth gravity walking normally with long strides The flag in many photos and videos is shown flapping in the wind on the supposedly atmosphere-less moon Werner Von Braun took a NASA team to Antarctica in 1967 and was purported to be collecting “moon rocks.” Later Bill Kaysing (author of “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle”) hired his private investigator friend Paul Jacobs to check with the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington and ask, “did you examine the Moon rocks, and did they come from the Moon?” The geologist simply laughed and insinuated that people high in the US government knew all about the cover-up. 11 Apollo astronauts were mysteriously killed before making their missions, 3 had oxygen pumped into their test capsule until it exploded, 7 died in 6 separate plane crashes, and 1 died in a car crash, highly unlikely coincidence, points towards a cover-up The astronauts rarely give public interviews or take questions at speaking events and were very unconvincing on their first interview back from the moon Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel who called him out on the hoax after he wouldn’t place his hand on the Bible and say he went to the moon Buzz Aldrin Jr. (Apollo 11), Gordon Cooper Jr., (Mercury 9, Gemini 5), Donn Eisele (Apollo 7), John Glenn Jr., (Mercury 6), Virgil Grissom (Apollo 1&15, Mercury 5, Gemini 3), James Irwin (Apollo 15), Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14), Walter Schirra Jr. (Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6, Mercury, Thomas Stafford (Apollo 10&18, Gemini 7&9), and Paul Weitz (Skylab 2, Challenger), all these astronauts are Masons The first director of NASA was Werner Von Braun one of hundreds of NAZI rocket scientists brought into America through the OSS Project Paperclip Nazis and Masons are not the most historically trustworthy folks Why didn’t NASA make some sort of light/flare display from the moon that people could see without their TVs to prove they were there? Why no colour video on Apollo 11 when we know the astronauts had a colour camera with them? In reply to s to tigermans comment Is This It. Do you speak like this in real life? Are you some sort of pseudo Bond villain?

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:07 pm  

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Van Allen Belt,[/color]

Cut the bullcrap, Van Allen himself has dismissed these sort of illiterate-science objections as nonsense. I'd take his view over yours

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

There are no stars in any of the moon pictures/video, just complete darkness;

One of the most infantile objections, the Sun is an extremely bright star. All other stars from the Moon are in comparison astonishingly faint. You can set an exposure to photograph in extremely bright sunlight, which obviously they did, and that will obviously not be enough to show anything as faint as a star. The brightest star (Sirius) is around magnitude -1.44 on the scale (which is a logarithmic scale) whereas the sun is around mag -26.8. Given that the Sun is roughly 400,000X brighter than even a full moon, even those ignorant of magnitude should be easily able to work out why stars are not visible. If they want to.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

he moon walk is in half-speed slow-motion; if you speed it up x2 the astronauts are clearly in Earth gravity walking normally with long strides[/i]

It looks speeded up if you speed it up? Wow! Who'd have thought!
Except they couldn't walk normally with long strides if on Earth, as the huge weight of their kit on Earth would make it utterly impossible.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

The flag in many photos and videos is shown flapping in the wind on the supposedly atmosphere-less moon

REALLY? You actually believe that? FFS. Despite there being categorical evidence that once the flag stopped moving it never moved again, (hich you ignore) OBVIOUSLY the forces applied to the flag and pole as the pole was twisted into the ground would continue to make the flag oscillate precisely BECAUSE of the absence of atmosphere, until the energy was spent.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Werner Von Braun took a NASA team to Antarctica in 1967

You can't use that one, Stan. You don't accept Antarctica exists! But, the moon rocks (like Mars meteorites) are indeed a smoking gun, due to the lack of atmosphere on the Moon, these rocks are certainly extra-terrestrial. Even you have to concede that one. it's not as if enough of them haven't been examined and tested by enough independent researchers.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

[i]11 Apollo astronauts were mysteriously killed before making their missions, 3 had oxygen pumped into their test capsule until it exploded, 7 died in 6 separate plane crashes, and 1 died in a car crash, highly unlikely coincidence, points towards a cover-up

Disgusting rot. And anyway why wouldn't they bump off the ones who were to be the hoax landers?

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

The astronauts rarely give public interviews or take questions at speaking events and were very unconvincing on their first interview back from the moon

I would imagine that since being on the Moon the astronauts have between them spoken a zillion words and attended a million events. Your claim is inexplicable tosh.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel

Indeed he did, and he had good reason to, after the vile provocation, which fact was accepted by the authorities as Aldrin was not prosecuted.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Why didn’t NASA make some sort of light/flare display from the moon that people could see without their TVs to prove they were there?

I would imagine that they never dreamed any human would ever be so stupid as to doubt it! But, even in the illogical state you are in, you KNOW that had they done so, it would have been a 100% utterly futile thing to do, since you and your ilk would no more have accepted that as any sort of proof or evidence than anything else! there is NOTHING they could have or can do or say that would convince people like you, even if they took you with them, you would persuade yourself it was a false memory inserted by drugs or anal probes or something, and rightly they waste little time on delusionals, recognising the futility.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Why no colour video on Apollo 11 when we know the astronauts had a colour camera with them?

Er, because the colour camera was a still camera not a video camera?

The TV camera was (and is, you can go see it for yourself) a Westinghouse, which

measured 11" x 6" x 3", weighed 7.25 pounds, and used 6.25 watts of power. It was capable of operating at 10 or 0.65 frames per second, depending on light level, and it had 4 interchangeable lenses.
The camera was mounted inside the Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA) in Quad 4 of the Lunar Module (LM) Descent Stage. This gave the capability of broadcasting the first steps of the astronauts as they climbed down the ladder of the LM at the start of the first EVA. The astronauts would then detach the camera from it's mount in the MESA, mount the camera on a tripod, and carry it away from the LM to show the progress of the EVA.

Here is a photo of it once deployed on the lunar surface. Where it stands to this day.


And here is a recent image from the LRO. This shows the Apollo 11 landing site, with all kit deployed, exactly where it was and will forever remain, nicely labelled for you. Including the said camera.

The astronaut path to the TV camera is visible, and you may even be able to see the camera stand (arrow). You can identify two parts of the Early Apollo Science Experiments Package (EASEP) – the Lunar Ranging Retro Reflector (LRRR) and the Passive Seismic Experiment (PSE). Neil Armstrong’s tracks to Little West crater (33 m diameter) are also discernable (unlabeled arrow).

China's second lunar probe, Chang'e 2 also photographed the site, with the same results.

How inconvenient for you moon hoax delusionals

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:11 pm  

Hahaha Caught Red Handed Actornaughts using Wires and Harness's.this video Exposes Their Fakery These Freemasonic actors should be locked up. And you NASA apologists have the cheek to call me gullible.. If you dismiss this footage well the Goverment has done a fine job on you.

Hahaha Caught Red Handed Actornaughts using Wires and Harness's.this video Exposes Their Fakery These Freemasonic actors should be locked up. And you NASA apologists have the cheek to call me gullible.. If you dismiss this footage well the Goverment has done a fine job on you.