Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:25 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Jim Davidson supports Johnson and which party did the members of UKIP and the Brexit party join in their droves. The leader of these parties can best be described as a little englander except when it comes to his women. Which leader is famous for his controversial comments both in word and particularly in speech. His time as the editor of the spectator does not reflect well on his claims that he loves all people regardless of colour.
Why does he need to have another report because the one he promised to do on islamaphobia he watered down to cover all prejudices which I note like many of his promises is yet to come to fruition.
What are the odds that when he next appears on the podium probably Wednesday he will have a big announcement to make regarding the lockdown to divert attention to the current problems and his usual embarrassment at Wednesdays PMQS.

To save me reading through it all,can you just highlight the section that supports and evidences Wilzays claim that all the thugs he referred to voted Tory.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:37 am  

What other possible reason could she have by not deliberately calling them racist - they went round doing Nazi salutes, pissing on graves and attacking the police, all in the name of “Eng-ER-land”.

[Mild Rover]

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:23 am  

Cronus wrote:

We have extremely robust anti-racism laws in this country and for the vast majority race simply is not an issue. We have quotas in the workplace. Yes, there are issues around education and poverty - but is that racist? Really? Police deaths? Give me a break.

Race is simply not an issue for the vast majority? I mean bigotry and thoughtlessness are usually visited on the disempowered, very often minority groups (everywhere, not just in this country). So in the UK most people are white and won’t routinely experience racism. Most people are straight and so won’t routinely be judged based on their sexuality. Most people aren’t Jewish or Muslim or wheelchair users... and so on.

I looked up Morgan Freeman’s views on racism in the US, and I read them slightly differently to you (assuming they’re the same quotes you referred to). As I understand him, he doesn’t want to stop talking/thinking about racism, but about race. He wants a change in mindset, rather than a head in the sand approach. To be seen as a man rather than a black man, for society to essentially be blind to a person’s colour. Now it is complicated, because race is a social-cultural construct and nobody wants to deny people the right to identify with a culture or their own experiences. In an ideal world we’d have some sort of attitudinal cultural-racial secularism, I guess. People being free to join a melting pot or be part of a societal mosaic to whatever extent they wish.

Freeman talked about the ‘terrorism’ black people suffer from police, after the 2015 death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore.

Cronus wrote:

BLM ignore a lot of facts. The fact blacks kill other blacks in massively higher numbers than whites - including police - do. Even the numbers around police killings in the US don't support them - for example, if you're arrested and resist you're more likely to be killed if you're white. Ignored. They ignore the higher crime rates among the black community that obviously lead to proportionately higher interaction with the police and prison populations. But this is all down to racism, apparently.

I assume, to pick one example, that you’re anti-anti-Semitic. Because anti-semitism is BS, right? Do you see any parallels between your use of facts here and the way anti-semites use facts, stripped of context, to characterise Jewish people as avaricious or scheming or any of their other stereotyped ethnic traits?

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:59 pm  

Willzay wrote:

What other possible reason could she have by not deliberately calling them racist - they went round doing Nazi salutes, pissing on graves and attacking the police, all in the name of “Eng-ER-land”.

Still waiting for the evidence they all voted Tory.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:33 pm  

Because the leader of the extreme right wing majority Tommy Robinson told them to back the Conservatives because he was. I doubt they would be voting Labour, Lib Dem, Green or SNP. They may have preferred to vote Brexit but if I remember correctly which party did they not stand against, oh I remember the Conservatives.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:31 pm  

TURFEDOUT wrote: Still waiting for the evidence they all voted Tory. The ones that voted will have undoubtedly voted Tory. If you want to kid yourself otherwise, go for it. The Britain First leader even joined the Conservative Party. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52201.html

TURFEDOUT wrote: Still waiting for the evidence they all voted Tory. The ones that voted will have undoubtedly voted Tory. If you want to kid yourself otherwise, go for it. The Britain First leader even joined the Conservative Party. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52201.html

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:48 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Because the leader of the extreme right wing majority Tommy Robinson told them to back the Conservatives because he was. I doubt they would be voting Labour, Lib Dem, Green or SNP. They may have preferred to vote Brexit but if I remember correctly which party did they not stand against, oh I remember the Conservatives.

So they couldn't have voted BNP or English Democrats ???

Yet more bluster,but still no evidence,just guesswork and assumptions.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:54 pm  

Strinket wrote: The ones that voted will have undoubtedly voted Tory. If you want to kid yourself otherwise, go for it. The Britain First leader even joined the Conservative Party. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52201.html Im not kidding myself on anything. Some may have voted Tory,some may have voted for a different party,some may have not voted at all. I just prefer people to back up ridiculous statements with evidence,which as yet no one has,so it remains a ridiculous statement to make.

Strinket wrote: The ones that voted will have undoubtedly voted Tory. If you want to kid yourself otherwise, go for it. The Britain First leader even joined the Conservative Party. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52201.html Im not kidding myself on anything. Some may have voted Tory,some may have voted for a different party,some may have not voted at all. I just prefer people to back up ridiculous statements with evidence,which as yet no one has,so it remains a ridiculous statement to make.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:12 pm  

TURFEDOUT wrote:

So they couldn't have voted BNP or English Democrats ???

Yet more bluster,but still no evidence,just guesswork and assumptions.

Why would they vote for these and how many seats did they contest. I think you are getting desperate, just admit that they voted Conservatives has instructed by their leader.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:17 pm  

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