Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:14 pm  

Backwoodsman wrote:

I have spent time in the Far East and Africa and witnessed forced child labour. Which is the modern definition of slavery,try doing some research into the subject and then you may get some insight into the scandal.

More to the point, what is the government you support doing about it, apart from allowing its exploitation?

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:18 pm  

Pulitzer Prize for the guy who took the picture of the Tory Racist Brexit Yobo urinating the Policeman’s Memorial.

Eng ER land summed up in a nutshell

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:15 pm  

Superblue wrote:

Pulitzer Prize for the guy who took the picture of the Tory Racist Brexit Yobo urinating the Policeman’s Memorial.

Eng ER land summed up in a nutshell

Yes, picking a corner next to the memorial was a stupid and highly disrespectful, but hardly the worst offence in the last week. I'd give that to the chap with the knife who slashed at a man's throat. Or the lad who attempted to commit arson at the Cenotaph? Or the pack of ferals who set upon an isolated man. Or the huge chap who king-hit someone and knocked him out cold.

Ah...but their skin colour doesn't fit your narrative so some idiot full of lager taking a leak in a corner next to a memorial gets the airtime.

Similarly, the media narrative has been interesting. We've seen 2 sets of thugs over the last week. One lot have run riot across the country all week damaging public property, attacked and injured large numbers of police in London with impunity and caused large-scale scenes of violence including random attacks on whites. The other lot (far fewer in number) exchanged blows with a police in riot armour, displayed some truly vile behaviour, and one had a p*ss against a wall. We've seen no reporting at all of the veterans marches or of 'normal' people yesterday, which included plenty of black faces.

So, guess which group are labelled 'racist thugs', while others are 'largely peaceful'. It's THIS sort of narrative that divides. I fully support the end of racism. The racism of the far right is disgusting. But I will not support Black Lives Matter.

On that note, WTF are police commanders doing? They send pitiful numbers out against BLM in...erm, cloth caps, obviously outnumbered and overwhelmed in no time. They then sent out fully-equipped riot police yesterday with barricades in place. Are we seeing fear of the accusation of racism raising its ugly head again? Because that went well last time.

And tell me, what exactly do BLM want? We have extremely robust anti-racism laws in this country and for the vast majority race simply is not an issue. We have quotas in the workplace. Yes, there are issues around education and poverty - but is that racist? Really? Police deaths? Give me a break.

The BLM UK donation site states their aims are to "dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world". I've heard BLM members talk of dismantling the police, killing all whites, etc, etc. And country is bowing down to this. The Premier League is about to promote this. Feck me, has coronavirus resulted in some collective lunacy?

BLM ignore a lot of facts. The fact blacks kill other blacks in massively higher numbers than whites - including police - do. Even the numbers around police killings in the US don't support them - for example, if you're arrested and resist you're more likely to be killed if you're white. Ignored. They ignore the higher crime rates among the black community that obviously lead to proportionately higher interaction with the police and prison populations. But this is all down to racism, apparently.

If you're taking a knee for this lot you might just be committing yourself to a cause you night not actually want to support.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:09 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Priti Patel can’t bring herself to call the thugs yesterday what they actually are - racists- because they’re her party’s voters!

What a ridiculous comment.
There were circa 40 different parties stood candidates at last election.
How do you know what they voted/vote ?

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:35 am  

I suppose because the likes of Tommy Robinson backed Johnson prior to the election.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:54 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I suppose because the likes of Tommy Robinson backed Johnson prior to the election.

Steve Coogan backed Cringebin, so does that make all swindlers and chancers Labour voters?

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:13 am  

Cronus wrote:

Yes, picking a corner next to the memorial was a stupid and highly disrespectful, but hardly the worst offence in the last week. I'd give that to the chap with the knife who slashed at a man's throat. Or the lad who attempted to commit arson at the Cenotaph? Or the pack of ferals who set upon an isolated man. Or the huge chap who king-hit someone and knocked him out cold.

Ah...but their skin colour doesn't fit your narrative so some idiot full of lager taking a leak in a corner next to a memorial gets the airtime.

Similarly, the media narrative has been interesting. We've seen 2 sets of thugs over the last week. One lot have run riot across the country all week damaging public property, attacked and injured large numbers of police in London with impunity and caused large-scale scenes of violence including random attacks on whites. The other lot (far fewer in number) exchanged blows with a police in riot armour, displayed some truly vile behaviour, and one had a p*ss against a wall. We've seen no reporting at all of the veterans marches or of 'normal' people yesterday, which included plenty of black faces.

So, guess which group are labelled 'racist thugs', while others are 'largely peaceful'. It's THIS sort of narrative that divides. I fully support the end of racism. The racism of the far right is disgusting. But I will not support Black Lives Matter.

On that note, WTF are police commanders doing? They send pitiful numbers out against BLM in...erm, cloth caps, obviously outnumbered and overwhelmed in no time. They then sent out fully-equipped riot police yesterday with barricades in place. Are we seeing fear of the accusation of racism raising its ugly head again? Because that went well last time.

And tell me, what exactly do BLM want? We have extremely robust anti-racism laws in this country and for the vast majority race simply is not an issue. We have quotas in the workplace. Yes, there are issues around education and poverty - but is that racist? Really? Police deaths? Give me a break.

The BLM UK donation site states their aims are to "dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world". I've heard BLM members talk of dismantling the police, killing all whites, etc, etc. And country is bowing down to this. The Premier League is about to promote this. Feck me, has coronavirus resulted in some collective lunacy?

BLM ignore a lot of facts. The fact blacks kill other blacks in massively higher numbers than whites - including police - do. Even the numbers around police killings in the US don't support them - for example, if you're arrested and resist you're more likely to be killed if you're white. Ignored. They ignore the higher crime rates among the black community that obviously lead to proportionately higher interaction with the police and prison populations. But this is all down to racism, apparently.

If you're taking a knee for this lot you might just be committing yourself to a cause you night not actually want to support.

Flashman crying because his p!ssed up far-right morons are getting a harder time from the police than others.
It's just not fair.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:56 am  

Superblue wrote:

More to the point, what is the government you support doing about it, apart from allowing its exploitation?

You have no idea how i voted or even if I voted. My political colours , not that I have any, has no bearing on my views as to the hypocrisy of the so called black live matter movement. Try checking out if black lives matter in a typical Chicago weekend, you may also consider the several deaths and injuries visited on the yellow jackets protesters in France by the barbaric French police. As to the white chattering class that’s supporting this movement, they may want to consider the old saying that a conservative is a liberal that’s been mugged.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:19 am  

Cronus wrote:

Yes, picking a corner next to the memorial was a stupid and highly disrespectful, but hardly the worst offence in the last week. I'd give that to the chap with the knife who slashed at a man's throat. Or the lad who attempted to commit arson at the Cenotaph? Or the pack of ferals who set upon an isolated man. Or the huge chap who king-hit someone and knocked him out cold.

Ah...but their skin colour doesn't fit your narrative so some idiot full of lager taking a leak in a corner next to a memorial gets the airtime.

Similarly, the media narrative has been interesting. We've seen 2 sets of thugs over the last week. One lot have run riot across the country all week damaging public property, attacked and injured large numbers of police in London with impunity and caused large-scale scenes of violence including random attacks on whites. The other lot (far fewer in number) exchanged blows with a police in riot armour, displayed some truly vile behaviour, and one had a p*ss against a wall. We've seen no reporting at all of the veterans marches or of 'normal' people yesterday, which included plenty of black faces.

So, guess which group are labelled 'racist thugs', while others are 'largely peaceful'. It's THIS sort of narrative that divides. I fully support the end of racism. The racism of the far right is disgusting. But I will not support Black Lives Matter.

On that note, WTF are police commanders doing? They send pitiful numbers out against BLM in...erm, cloth caps, obviously outnumbered and overwhelmed in no time. They then sent out fully-equipped riot police yesterday with barricades in place. Are we seeing fear of the accusation of racism raising its ugly head again? Because that went well last time.

And tell me, what exactly do BLM want? We have extremely robust anti-racism laws in this country and for the vast majority race simply is not an issue. We have quotas in the workplace. Yes, there are issues around education and poverty - but is that racist? Really? Police deaths? Give me a break.

The BLM UK donation site states their aims are to "dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world". I've heard BLM members talk of dismantling the police, killing all whites, etc, etc. And country is bowing down to this. The Premier League is about to promote this. Feck me, has coronavirus resulted in some collective lunacy?

BLM ignore a lot of facts. The fact blacks kill other blacks in massively higher numbers than whites - including police - do. Even the numbers around police killings in the US don't support them - for example, if you're arrested and resist you're more likely to be killed if you're white. Ignored. They ignore the higher crime rates among the black community that obviously lead to proportionately higher interaction with the police and prison populations. But this is all down to racism, apparently.

If you're taking a knee for this lot you might just be committing yourself to a cause you night not actually want to support.

On your point about robust laws, ensuring equal rights etc.
Are these the same type of laws that we have for equal equality for women ?

You know equal pay and equal opportunities etc ?

We all know that the laws are in place but, how effective are they in practice.

If you believe that these laws are so robust, how on earth are public bodies like the BBC in so much strife with equal pay claims against them.
You know as well as I do that if companies dont want to employ certain people, they wont employ them. End of.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:52 am  

IR80 wrote:

Steve Coogan backed Cringebin, so does that make all swindlers and chancers Labour voters?

Jim Davidson supports Johnson and which party did the members of UKIP and the Brexit party join in their droves. The leader of these parties can best be described as a little englander except when it comes to his women. Which leader is famous for his controversial comments both in word and particularly in speech. His time as the editor of the spectator does not reflect well on his claims that he loves all people regardless of colour.
Why does he need to have another report because the one he promised to do on islamaphobia he watered down to cover all prejudices which I note like many of his promises is yet to come to fruition.
What are the odds that when he next appears on the podium probably Wednesday he will have a big announcement to make regarding the lockdown to divert attention to the current problems and his usual embarrassment at Wednesdays PMQS.