Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:48 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

Interesting some of the reactions/views coming from the Grendfell Tower fire with some saying it's a revenge act against Muslims for the recent terrorist attacks.

It's Grenfell.

Who is saying that? I'm usually across the news, and I haven't heard that said anywhere, by anyone. I did see the Daily Mail print a picture of an Ethopian guy who's faiulty fridge apparently started the fire, but notably, they didn't print any pictures of any of the people who decided to allow the building to be clad in flammable material; or the 72 Tory landlords who voted down Corbyn's bill to make it mandatory that all rented property should be safe and habitable...

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:19 pm  

You haven't seen it anywhere??? Must be very selective with what you watch and read.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:32 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

Interesting some of the reactions/views coming from the Grendfell Tower fire with some saying it's a revenge act against Muslims for the recent terrorist attacks.

And do you think that is the case here

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:33 pm  

bren2k wrote:

It's Grenfell.

Who is saying that? I'm usually across the news, and I haven't heard that said anywhere, by anyone. I did see the Daily Mail print a picture of an Ethopian guy who's faiulty fridge apparently started the fire, but notably, they didn't print any pictures of any of the people who decided to allow the building to be clad in flammable material; or the 72 Tory landlords who voted down Corbyn's bill to make it mandatory that all rented property should be safe and habitable...

The interview was conducted by Victoria Devonshire.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:45 am  

Backwoodsman wrote:

The interview was conducted by Victoria Devonshire.

I assume you mean Derbyshire - and either way, that one has got past me; I've seen nothing related to a revenge attack - apart from last night of course, when a real life one occurred. Congratulations to those people who want to create division and pit us against each other - that's a win for Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, the Daily Mail and all their hateful ilk - and of course ISIS, because this is exactly what they want when they target innocent people in the UK.

It's genuinely scary to think about where this will end.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:30 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I assume you mean Derbyshire - and either way, that one has got past me; I've seen nothing related to a revenge attack - apart from last night of course, when a real life one occurred. Congratulations to those people who want to create division and pit us against each other - that's a win for Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, the Daily Mail and all their hateful ilk - and of course ISIS, because this is exactly what they want when they target innocent people in the UK.

It's genuinely scary to think about where this will end.

People having genuine concerns about immigration, and specifically immigration from countries where the UK is, to put it lightly, not thought very well of, is not hatred, it's just common sense. You wouldn't invite a man who had designs on sleeping with kids into your family home, would you?

Last night's attack was, unfortunately, inevitable. But you could of course say that if we didn't have a problem with Islamic terrorism (which we clearly do), a nutjob like last night's attacker would have no motive. But then if 'we' hadn't flattened cities in the Middle East on false pre-tenses then maybe we wouldn't have an Islamic terrorist problem either.

Either way, an eye for an eye makes the world go blind etc.... These are bad times we're facing.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:36 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I assume you mean Derbyshire - and either way, that one has got past me; I've seen nothing related to a revenge attack - apart from last night of course, when a real life one occurred. Congratulations to those people who want to create division and pit us against each other - that's a win for Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, the Daily Mail and all their hateful ilk - and of course ISIS, because this is exactly what they want when they target innocent people in the UK.

It's genuinely scary to think about where this will end.

What happened last night was inevitable and exactly one of the reasons why people say we need to get tougher on Muslim extremists. The staggering naivety of people to think we could keep having attack after attack after attack and just react with "carry on as normal", hashtags #prayfor and candlelight vigils and shooting down and dismissing anyone who says more needs to be done and we need to be tougher.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:14 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

What happened last night was inevitable and exactly one of the reasons why people say we need to get tougher on Muslim extremists. The staggering naivety of people to think we could keep having attack after attack after attack and just react with "carry on as normal", hashtags #prayfor and candlelight vigils and shooting down and dismissing anyone who says more needs to be done and we need to be tougher.

Where has anyone said we should just carry on as normal? Anyone?
What do you suggest we do tougher?

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:03 am  

PrinterThe wrote:

What happened last night was inevitable and exactly one of the reasons why people say we need to get tougher on Muslim extremists. The staggering naivety of people to think we could keep having attack after attack after attack and just react with "carry on as normal", hashtags #prayfor and candlelight vigils and shooting down and dismissing anyone who says more needs to be done and we need to be tougher.

How should we get tougher - bigger vans?

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:02 am  

bren2k wrote:

How should we get tougher - bigger vans?

The attack at Finsbury Park is exactly the reaction that ISIS would wish for as it starts to turn this into a religious war, which perhaps, is what we already had.
However, this is dangerous territory and it wouldn't take much for these things to become regular tit for tat events and where that would leave us is anyone's guess.

I dont think that any one has the answers to this and we're all heading for a very uncertain future