Re: Is the Past Better? : Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:16 am  

Lol, how typically French to forget your own celebrations!!!
'La Fete Nationale' is hugely celebrated (see below), in case you had forgotten it is the spark that started what we know as the French Revolution, you know that little 10 year thing you had in your own backyard that had worldwide repercussions. Were you went from a Monarchy to a Republic in less than 3 years culminating in the execution of your king among qho was among the circa 100,000 murderous deaths of fellow countrymen with a 'war' within your own nation.

Even the 'moronic' British/English don't celebrate our civil 'war'

So now tell me how the French don't celebrate not only wars but actually cold blooded murder?

Re: Is the Past Better? : Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:44 am  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

Lol, how typically French to forget your own celebrations!!!
'La Fete Nationale' is hugely celebrated (see below), in case you had forgotten it is the spark that started what we know as the French Revolution, you know that little 10 year thing you had in your own backyard that had worldwide repercussions. Were you went from a Monarchy to a Republic in less than 3 years culminating in the execution of your king among qho was among the circa 100,000 murderous deaths of fellow countrymen with a 'war' within your own nation.

Even the 'moronic' British/English don't celebrate our civil 'war'

So now tell me how the French don't celebrate not only wars but actually cold blooded murder?

quite right too!

you could do the same in the uk - line up the royals and the hundreds or thousands of hangers on and chop off their heads one by one starting with the Great Wally of China, Juglugs & Horseface - save 'Brenda' for last

and don't start moralising about civil strife when the blood of 200000 people (from a population of about 5 million !) from the Civil Wars aka Cromwell etc and not even to mention The Battle of the Boyne et al and I suppose the Northern Irish conflict with the thousands of murdered on the streets was just a minor skirmish ?

Please mate , do me a favour...

Re: Is the Past Better? : Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:54 am  

sanjunien wrote:

:lol:
quite right too!

you could do the same in the uk - line up the royals and the hundreds or thousands of hangers on and chop off their heads one by one starting with the Great Wally of China, Juglugs & Horseface - save 'Brenda' for last

and don't start moralising about civil strife when the blood of 200000 people (from a population of about 5 million !) from the Civil Wars aka Cromwell etc and not even to mention The Battle of the Boyne et al and I suppose the Northern Irish conflict with the thousands of murdered on the streets was just a minor skirmish ?

Please mate , do me a favour...

No one is denying the fact that these things happened. You just said it was strange to celebrate a war when in fact, the French and even the Americans celebrate wars.

Re: Is the Past Better? : Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:17 pm  

LifeLongHKRFan wrote:

No one is denying the fact that these things happened. You just said it was strange to celebrate a war when in fact, the French and even the Americans celebrate wars.

you forgot the aussies (Gallipoli - ANZAC Day etc) and probably hundreds more throughout the world since time began

I still find it bizarre to celebrate te start of the Great War when the end is already marked so publically - sorry, it's only my opinion

Re: Is the Past Better? : Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:33 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

you forgot the aussies (Gallipoli - ANZAC Day etc) and probably hundreds more throughout the world since time began

I still find it bizarre to celebrate te start of the Great War when the end is already marked so publically - sorry, it's only my opinion

because if you do not acknowledge/mark/remember the start of wars people only know about the end of the wars i.e The celebrations and then start thinking lets have another war so we can have a great celebration afterwards.

We need to remember the causes, the start, the events and then be thankful it ended to hopefully keep future wars to the minimum.

I find it bizarre that you are willing to "celebrate" the end of the great war when giving France the disputed Alsace-Lorraine territory and creating a de-militarised Rhineland negotiated in Paris and signed at Versaille was one of the major reasons Hitler came to power and WW2 started. By "celebrating" the victors lording it over the vanquished you are celebrating the start of WW2.

BTW, by victors I am referring to The Allies as i realise we are just as much to blame as France

Re: Is the Past Better? : Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:15 am  

sanjunien wrote:

:lol:
quite right too!

you could do the same in the uk - line up the royals and the hundreds or thousands of hangers on and chop off their heads one by one starting with the Great Wally of China, Juglugs & Horseface - save 'Brenda' for last

and don't start moralising about civil strife when the blood of 200000 people (from a population of about 5 million !) from the Civil Wars aka Cromwell etc and not even to mention The Battle of the Boyne et al and I suppose the Northern Irish conflict with the thousands of murdered on the streets was just a minor skirmish ?

Please mate , do me a favour...

I am doing you a favour, pointing out your obviously lacking memory of the country you are affiliated with.
As I said, we don't celebrate our civil 'war', or indeed any of the ones you mentioned, my point was that as a nation the French do in fact celebrate the biggest internal struggle that resulted in over a hundred thousand deaths, mostly cold blooded murders at that. You categorically stated the opposite hence why I posted the 'facts' about your own nation, just helping you mon ami

Re: Is the Past Better? : Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:18 am  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

I am doing you a favour, pointing out your obviously lacking

memory of the country you are affiliated with.

i'm actually dual nationality so as british as yourself


As I said, we don't celebrate our civil 'war', or indeed

any of the ones you mentioned,

The Orange Day Parade ?

my point was that as a nation the French do in fact celebrate the biggest internal struggle that resulted in over a hundred thousand deaths, mostly cold blooded murders at that. You categorically stated the opposite hence why I posted the 'facts' about your own nation, just helping you mon ami

no one is aguing that the french 'celebrate' on the 14 july, I think it's ridiculous thing to do also BTW though it does give me an extra days' holiday each year so i'm not complaining ! and why 'celebrate' the beginning of a conflict that was so gruesome ? for your information the 14th July is supposed to represent the equivalent of Independance Day in France which gave so-called freedom to the french people after the alledged supression of the 'people' by the royalist rulers (does this ring any bells with events in say India per chance ?) much like the same occasion is marked in ex commonwealth countries ie.India or Tanzania - my point is that it seems more appropriate to mark such a terrible passage in history as The Great War by 'celebrating' peace rather than mass murder - the 11th november is such a day - to mark the beginning of the hostilities seems moronic (yeah, dared to use that word again !)

as I said previously the rest of the orignal post is a good idea

Re: Is the Past Better? : Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:33 am  

Hull FC (in conjunction with FC Voices the fans group) have organised a Heritage day to coincide with the National Heritage weekend, for two years now which I have been involved with.

We ask fans to bring along their memoribilia and put it on show for a day. This year we even had the great Arthur Bunting and Johnny Whiteley, OBE showing their "money can't buy" stuff.

The club contributed their own stuff, one invaluable item was the original shares book dating back to the late 1800's which is a fantastic piece of club history.

Hope this can help with ideas

Re: Is the Past Better? : Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:23 am  

Starbug wrote:

Why would anybody ' Celebrate ' WW1?

Because they made masses of money?

German chemical companies such as BASF, Bayer and Hoechst created chemical weaponry and made masses of money
Arm manufacturers made masses of money
Various industrialists made masses of money

Re: Is the Past Better? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:14 am  

Independance day it might mean to some and indeed the wording says everything but the reality is it was a direct attack on the Monarchy and the focal point from whence mass murders took place on a scale not seen again until WWII with the culling of the Jews. Do the Germans 'celebrate' the murder of 6million as just a part of their wanting change against others?

As for India and the British Raj, I think you will find no one celebrates Cawnpore or Amritsar et al.

And you are massively out with regard to the Orange order, such a very few people even know about it never mind 'celebrate' it. A march by few hundred people just to annoy a few thousand people isn't a 'celebration' on a nationwide scale..I think you need to check your history sunshine