Re: NHS Risk Register (Shhh...it's a secret) : Wed May 09, 2012 5:34 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Did I imagine it or didn't DAve and Gideon say that the private sector would snap up all those who lost their jobs in the public sector?

I'm on holiday and said I wouldn't post but I feel I have speak up at this point.
I am staying in a haven site and every single van on this site seems to be made in Hull (ABI, Willerby, Swift and Atlas) all of which last time I checked are private companies and all told that they are going to get 20% tax stuck on their good so much for creating jobs in the private sector.
BTW this isn't a dig at El B.

Re: NHS Risk Register (Shhh...it's a secret) : Wed May 09, 2012 5:48 pm  

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

...BTW this isn't a dig at El B.

No prob.
You make a valid point ... increasing VAT is wrong all ways round.
It depresses the economy, it's a regressive tax and (as you point out) it hits the manufacturing sector hard.

Re: NHS Risk Register (Shhh...it's a secret) : Wed May 09, 2012 6:54 pm  

El Barbudo wrote: cod'ead wrote: They ain't even got started yet. Francis Maude: "the aim was to end once and for all the idea of any provision of public services by the state" Full speech HERE Whoops ! He's admitted what I have been convinced about since the election. It's not about the deficit at all, it's all about the ideology of rolling-back the state until the last shred of the welfare state is history. Ted tried and made a pigs ear of it, Maggie took it on and rolled it forward regardless of vast and cruel human cost. Dave sees it as his destiny to head towards that glorious golden day when there will be the obscenely rich 4% and the biddable and servile other 96% doing as they are told. And Clegg is letting him do it. Clegg is an odious little sh¡t whose only hope of getting another sniff of power will be to join the unpleasant group of pissbags whose government his soon to be dead party is propping up.

El Barbudo wrote: cod'ead wrote: They ain't even got started yet. Francis Maude: "the aim was to end once and for all the idea of any provision of public services by the state" Full speech HERE Whoops ! He's admitted what I have been convinced about since the election. It's not about the deficit at all, it's all about the ideology of rolling-back the state until the last shred of the welfare state is history. Ted tried and made a pigs ear of it, Maggie took it on and rolled it forward regardless of vast and cruel human cost. Dave sees it as his destiny to head towards that glorious golden day when there will be the obscenely rich 4% and the biddable and servile other 96% doing as they are told. And Clegg is letting him do it. Clegg is an odious little sh¡t whose only hope of getting another sniff of power will be to join the unpleasant group of pissbags whose government his soon to be dead party is propping up.

Re: NHS Risk Register (Shhh...it's a secret) : Wed May 09, 2012 8:15 pm  

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

I'm on holiday and said I wouldn't post but I feel I have speak up at this point.
I am staying in a haven site and every single van on this site seems to be made in Hull (ABI, Willerby, Swift and Atlas) all of which last time I checked are private companies and all told that they are going to get 20% tax stuck on their good so much for creating jobs in the private sector.
BTW this isn't a dig at El B.

And I have just seen the news that the twerps at parliament in charge are going to focus on getting the economy going.
They clearly think adding VAT to anything that isn't already nailed down is the way to do this.
Idiots, Mislead, Out of touch or illiterate with regard to how an economy works you decide.

Breivik Trial thread : Wed May 09, 2012 8:18 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Clegg is an odious little sh¡t whose only hope of getting another sniff of power will be to join the unpleasant group of pissbags whose government his soon to be dead party is propping up.

I did try to convince posters well prior to the GE that he was a conservative in all but name. He's certainly reaffirmed that well held belief. What's happened to Doctor Vince? He's disappeared over the politcal horizon. He could do serious damage to this government if he ever grew a backbone. I can't believe he shares the same ideological beliefs as other cabinet members.

Re: Breivik Trial thread : Wed May 09, 2012 8:26 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Rock God X wrote:

Clegg is an odious little sh¡t whose only hope of getting another sniff of power will be to join the unpleasant group of pissbags whose government his soon to be dead party is propping up.

I did try to convince posters well prior to the GE that he was a conservative in all but name. He's certainly reaffirmed that well held belief. What's happened to Doctor Vince? He's disappeared over the politcal horizon. He could do serious damage to this government if he ever grew a backbone. I can't believe he shares the same ideological beliefs as other cabinet members.

Vince has sold out his beliefs for a brief sniff of power, just like the rest of them.

Re: Breivik Trial thread : Wed May 09, 2012 8:42 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Vince has sold out his beliefs for a brief sniff of power, just like the rest of them.

Been making that point for a while. The trappings of power have turned them mad. Limousines, private offices, civil servants at their beck and call, protection officers (for some) are not going to be given up lightly. Standing up for principles goes out the window when you see your future going with them if the coalition breaks down. They'll cling on as long as they can and make out they're a "control" on the Tories, when in reality they'll go with whatever will keep the limo ready for them.

Clegg has basically killed the Lib Dems, and we're watching the death throes.

Re: NHS Risk Register (Shhh...it's a secret) : Wed May 09, 2012 9:14 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

No prob.
You make a valid point ... increasing VAT is wrong all ways round.
It depresses the economy, it's a regressive tax and (as you point out) it hits the manufacturing sector hard.

The main point as far as the caravan industry goes is that its not so much the increase in vat from 17.5 to 20 percent, its the application of a 20% levy on their retail price which wasn't there previously, mobile homes being zero rated until one of the posh boys spotted it and decided that the sort of people who take caravan holidays weren't his type and really ought to start paying VAT from now on, its win/win, the posh boys don't get hit but the plebs do, again.

Re: NHS Risk Register (Shhh...it's a secret) : Wed May 09, 2012 11:33 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

The main point as far as the caravan industry goes is that its not so much the increase in vat from 17.5 to 20 percent, its the application of a 20% levy on their retail price which wasn't there previously, mobile homes being zero rated until one of the posh boys spotted it and decided that the sort of people who take caravan holidays weren't his type and really ought to start paying VAT from now on, its win/win, the posh boys don't get hit but the plebs do, again.

Indeed and it goes deeper than it pretty much just screwing the caravan industry and therefore the construction industry in Hull(Which makes around 95% of the bloody things) It is the expected downturn in caravan camps(From what I have read a 30-50% hit).
So like I said how can you in the one breath threaten to slaughter a HUGE % of the holiday market and the attractions that go with it and then in the next breath state that getting the economy going is a priority.

And the worst of it is that the figures about how much it will kill the holiday market are from the governments own consultants.

Re: NHS Risk Register (Shhh...it's a secret) : Thu May 10, 2012 7:17 am  

Anyway, back to the risk register.

There really is no need to publish it, all anyone has to do is look to the US and you'll see just what we can all look forward to.