Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:48 am  

Rock God X wrote:

Er, guilty. Ooh, just thought of another idea to make my iDeli even more authentic: I'll hire a load of Chinese workers, pay them six quid a week, then beat the crap out of them to ensure they produce an acceptable number of iSandwiches per hour!

Where is your PC made?

Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:51 am  

Despite some miserable pompous gets on here, the Facebook page already has 40,000 'Likes', and the pub now has Gandalf himself onside. So follow that, whingers!

Despite some miserable pompous gets on here, the Facebook page already has 40,000 'Likes', and the pub now has Gandalf himself onside. So follow that, whingers!

Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:53 am  

Mintball wrote:

Rock God X wrote:

Er, guilty. Ooh, just thought of another idea to make my iDeli even more authentic: I'll hire a load of Chinese workers, pay them six quid a week, then beat the crap out of them to ensure they produce an acceptable number of iSandwiches per hour!

Where is your PC made?

Meh. I knew that would be the response as I was typing it. My PC was woven from hemp by well-paid western workers in luxurious, unionised factories.

Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:01 am  

Kosh wrote:

Just how much damage is this place doing to the 'brand' that SZ own? Are people wandering in expecting to see the movie or something?

I think this is the most pertinent point. It's patently obvious that the pub and the film aren't linked. Do they think that a person suffering a bad pint at 'The Hobbit' will subsequently decide not to go and see 'The Hobbit'?

The answer is: no, they'll already have decided not to see it based on the fact that it's likely to be as drawn-out and tedious as the Lord of the Rings films.

[Kosh]

Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:20 am  

Rock God X wrote:

The answer is: no, they'll already have decided not to see it based on the fact that it's likely to be as drawn-out and tedious as the Lord of the Rings films.

Don't dis the LotR movies.

Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:57 am  

Kosh wrote:

:HAND: Don't dis the LotR movies.

I couldn't possibly dis the last two, because after the first one I promised that I would never suffer such interminable boredom again.

Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:09 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

I couldn't possibly dis the last two, because after the first one I promised that I would never suffer such interminable boredom again.

I think they must have spent so much on the CGI that they didn't give any time at all to rehearsals with the humans.

Sean Bean, who is not the finest actor I can think of, manages possibly his most wooden performance ever.

I think that any decent acting comes from the sheer gravitas that McKellen and Lee can give anything, on the basis of longevity and experience and charisma (reminiscent of Alec Guinness in Star Wars) and Bernard Hill, who actually managed to imbue his death scene with enough pathos that I was – finally – actually moved.

Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:24 pm  

Mintball wrote:

:lol:

I think they must have spent so much on the CGI that they didn't give any time at all to rehearsals with the humans.

Sean Bean, who is not the finest actor I can think of, manages possibly his most wooden performance ever.

I think that any decent acting comes from the sheer gravitas that McKellen and Lee can give anything, on the basis of longevity and experience and charisma (reminiscent of Alec Guinness in Star Wars) and Bernard Hill, who actually managed to imbue his death scene with enough pathos that I was – finally – actually moved.

I don't remember enough about it to pass judgement on the acting, as I've tried to erase the whole sorry experience from my memory. I have this vague recollection of spending half an hour thinking "the special effects are impressive", a further half hour thinking "when is the storyline going to get moving", and two hours thinking "FFS, please let this be over soon". If it wasn't for the fact that I was on a first date (her choice of film, I hasten to add), I'd have left after an hour.

Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:35 pm  

Kosh wrote:

The artwork on the signage does not appear to have come from the films. In fact as far as I can tell from the article, the only thing directly linked to the films is the picture of Elijah Wood's face on their loyalty card. And unless it's a picture of him in his Frodo role then that would be more of an issue for his lawyers than SZ's.

The whole thing is, at the very least, pointlessly heavy-handed. Just how much damage is this place doing to the 'brand' that SZ own? Are people wandering in expecting to see the movie or something?

Thats a question for the owners of the copyright, if they feel that they've been infringed then they are entitled to ask the infringer to refrain, it would also be interesting to find out what copyright they own and for how long.

For pure artwork the artist retains the copyright by default for 70 years after his/her death unless it is specifically sold, selling the artwork is not the same as selling the copyright, an artist can sell artwork but does not transfer the right to copyright to the purchaser, so you can't start printing and selling birthday cards from a painting you bought - are you paying attention Mintball

I don't know what the situation is with written work or indeed with films but it would appear that if you're a sci-fi or fantasy geek then its gloves off when the big corporations want to protect their work or purchases, presumably Tolkeins estate won't be joining the Facebook group, not after they apparently sold the copyright anyway

Re: OT - Save the Hobbit pub : Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:49 pm  

<fx>crosses Rock God off the invite list for my "LotR -All 3 Extended Versions plus bonus features" party over Easter</fx>