Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:44 am  

No as they dont get the same funding from both the goverment and church.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:53 am  

rover49 wrote:

My son went to a church school (because it was the best available, so I'm another hypocrite ). After the first day he came home and said he didn't like it and didn't want to go back. We asked him what was wrong and he said 'they have a dead bloke nailed on the wall', which was a full size model of Jesus on the cross.

Not in my opinion, you have to do what's best and give your kids the best possible start.

If you refuse to send your kids to these schools their the ones who pay, getting the church out of schools is down to people in higher places (and I don't mean god).

And it's a good test to see if their stupid, if they believe in "god" (which ever they get taught out of the 2000 and odd) when they get to 13/14 start worrying.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:08 am  

Dally wrote:

Is that really true of, say. Muslim schools? Jewish schools? etc?

Do you mean to ask if they get to pick and choose their pupils ?

Yes of course they do.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:14 am  

Sheldon wrote:

No as they dont get the same funding from both the goverment and church.

They do get funding though. For example, two or three years ago, the local council free sheet announced that agreement had been reached to provide funding for an Orthodox Jewish school for girls in Stamford Hill.

It would mean, the article explained, that the pupils would spend 50% of their time on the national curriculum and 50% on their other religious studies.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:19 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

Not in my opinion, you have to do what's best and give your kids the best possible start.

If you refuse to send your kids to these schools their the ones who pay, getting the church out of schools is down to people in higher places (and I don't mean god).

And it's a good test to see if their stupid, if they believe in "god" (which ever they get taught out of the 2000 and odd) when they get to 13/14 start worrying.

Both mine went to the same church primary school, one is a firm atheist, the other has no thoughts on the subject one way or the other.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:29 am  

My daughter is moving to an Anglican high school this year, which is supposed to be a good school. What I like about the school is the fact that it purposely takes on a significant number of kids with disabilities - resulting in seemingly poor national standards tests on average.

My older sister has sent her kids to an RC school in Surrey, which did make them attend mass etc for a while in advance of the oldest in order to be able to get a letter off the priest, but that seemed reasonable to me. Where she lives there are few schools which aren't either ridiculously expensive or cr*p - the religious schools offer good quality for a far more reasonable fee.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:39 am  

So to go to a government funded school she had to go to church?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:55 am  

Sheldon wrote:

So to go to a government funded school she had to go to church?

A non sequitur, to go to a Catholic school she had to go to Catholic church. (Although they do take a significant number of non-Catholics too). The point is, she did not have to go to that church, or any church. It was the parents' choice of school which brought the situation about.

Plus, Catholic schools have to raise about 10% of their own funding, so Catholics are in effect paying part of the cost of education of the many non-Catholics they educate, so it ain't as simple as that.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:11 am  

And wouldn't that be the point in getting them out of schools?

You say they didn't have to send her to that school but it was the best available so of course they 'had' to, if they take a number of non Catholics (does that include theists?) why did she have to go to church? A faster easier way?

How do the church raise this 10%? Tax exemption? Or do the 24 priests/vicars who are allowed into the house of lords, without vote, pass it through?

The system stinks.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:38 pm  

Rock God X wrote: The concern is more about secondary education, I think. See this link for an article by the Head of Science at one of the academies set up under Tony Blair: Disturbing. Other loons are waiting in the wings to have their agendas promoted in our schools. The ridiculously named Truth in science for example.

Rock God X wrote: The concern is more about secondary education, I think. See this link for an article by the Head of Science at one of the academies set up under Tony Blair: Disturbing. Other loons are waiting in the wings to have their agendas promoted in our schools. The ridiculously named Truth in science for example.