[Durham Giant]

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:25 pm  

ColD wrote:

The guy is a wazzock of that there is no doubt, and I wouldn’t miss him for one moment but not sure it qualifies for a permanent ban - like you say it’s not against the AUP (I’ll take your word for that)
A lot of people put misleading/untruths on here without the same recriminations

Not a decision I took lightly and I have referred it to admin as I did my previous warning about his conspiracy theories that Covid is a hoax.
At that point I PMed the poster and said he could post what he wanted but to keep away from misleading conspiracy theories which in my view were dangerous. I accepted his posts about the pain of lockdown being worse than opening up that is a matter of opinion .

To try to mislead people into not having a vaccine based on an erroneous and unfounded understanding of facts was in my view dangerous

It may fall foul of the AUP about misleading information .

I have posted this on the mods board and asked for views about 4 weeks ago As I felt uncomfortable about trying to clamp down on the right to free speech but on balance I felt I would rather do that than allow for dangerous stuff to be posted .

Anyway admin are looking at it and I am happy to abide by their decision.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:38 pm  

You have my support. These people are a danger to society and there are vulnerable people out there who can be scared/influenced by their unfounded bullsh*t.

Well done.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:49 pm  

Coronavirus put in perspective...

England Data

Cases [Positive PCR] – 3,694,339*
*Estimated Asymptomatic cases according to the NHS [1 in 3] – 1,231,446

Estimated number of cases [past infections] according to the Office of National Statics by December 2020 in the general community excluding hospitals, care homes and/or other institutional settings – 5,400,000

Total Patients admitted to hospital – 384,852
Breakdown by age (slight reporting lag behind above total):-
Patients admitted aged 0-17 – 5,183
Patients admitted aged 18-64 – 134,700
Patients admitted aged 65-84 – 159,267
Patients admitted aged 85+ – 80,985

Total Deaths PCR positive within 28 days – 109,602
Deaths recorded in hospitals – 83,917
Remaining 25,000+ deaths occurred in care homes / hospices

Hospital deaths by age with No pre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 9
20-39 yrs - 78
40-59 yrs - 588
60-79 yrs – 1,459
80+ yrs – 1,355

Hospital deaths by age With pre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 29
20-39 yrs - 499
40-59 yrs – 5,318
60-79 yrs – 30,589
80+ yrs – 43,993

Condition - Count of condition - % of all hospital deaths with condition

Asthma - 6,290 - 8%
Chronic Kidney Disease - 13,648 - 17%
Chronic Neurological Disorder - 2,192 - 3%
Chronic Pulmonary Disease - 12,995 - 16%
Dementia – 13,187 - 16%
Diabetes - 21,603 - 26%
Rheumatological Disorder - 2,539 - 3%
Ischaemic Heart Disease - 8,244 - 13%
Other - 60,216 – 73%

Patients that have died may have had more than one pre-existing condition.

Does anyone know where I can find the case breakdown by age data?

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:58 pm  

MatthewTrin wrote:

Coronavirus put in perspective...

Is what you're trying to say that 100,000 people are dead but they were amongst the weakest and most vulnerable in our society so... meh?

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:06 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Is what you're trying to say that 100,000 people are dead but they were amongst the weakest and most vulnerable in our society so... meh?

Based on the data I'd say the UK Government, NHS and SAGE have done an appalling job in protecting/saving the weakest and most vulnerable in our society. Everyone involved in those organisations should hang their heads in shame. Second highest C19 death toll (deaths per million) in the world. Roll on the public inquiry.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:41 am  

MatthewTrin wrote:

Coronavirus put in perspective...

England Data

Cases [Positive PCR] – 3,694,339*
*Estimated Asymptomatic cases according to the NHS [1 in 3] – 1,231,446

Estimated number of cases [past infections] according to the Office of National Statics by December 2020 in the general community excluding hospitals, care homes and/or other institutional settings – 5,400,000

Total Patients admitted to hospital – 384,852
Breakdown by age (slight reporting lag behind above total):-
Patients admitted aged 0-17 – 5,183
Patients admitted aged 18-64 – 134,700
Patients admitted aged 65-84 – 159,267
Patients admitted aged 85+ – 80,985

Total Deaths PCR positive within 28 days – 109,602
Deaths recorded in hospitals – 83,917
Remaining 25,000+ deaths occurred in care homes / hospices

Hospital deaths by age with No pre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 9
20-39 yrs - 78
40-59 yrs - 588
60-79 yrs – 1,459
80+ yrs – 1,355

Hospital deaths by age With pre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 29
20-39 yrs - 499
40-59 yrs – 5,318
60-79 yrs – 30,589
80+ yrs – 43,993

Condition - Count of condition - % of all hospital deaths with condition

Asthma - 6,290 - 8%
Chronic Kidney Disease - 13,648 - 17%
Chronic Neurological Disorder - 2,192 - 3%
Chronic Pulmonary Disease - 12,995 - 16%
Dementia – 13,187 - 16%
Diabetes - 21,603 - 26%
Rheumatological Disorder - 2,539 - 3%
Ischaemic Heart Disease - 8,244 - 13%
Other - 60,216 – 73%

Patients that have died may have had more than one pre-existing condition.

Does anyone know where I can find the case breakdown by age data?

So, what conclusions should anyone draw from your figures ?

[Durham Giant]

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:44 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So, what conclusions should anyone draw from your figures ?

I am less concerned about the death rates than I am about those who suffer from long Covid and those who are likely to have longer term health problems.
Absolutely loads of evidence that may younger people who had milder Covid have PERMANENT lung damage.

Many others have heart wall muscle damage .

Those who have died are the tip of the iceberg .

We do not yet have figures that are reliable enough to tell us what the long term effects on population/ death rates and health problems in the future will be.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am  

MatthewTrin wrote:

Coronavirus put in perspective...

England Data

Cases [Positive PCR] – 3,694,339*
*Estimated Asymptomatic cases according to the NHS [1 in 3] – 1,231,446

Estimated number of cases [past infections] according to the Office of National Statics by December 2020 in the general community excluding hospitals, care homes and/or other institutional settings – 5,400,000

Total Patients admitted to hospital – 384,852
Breakdown by age (slight reporting lag behind above total):-
Patients admitted aged 0-17 – 5,183
Patients admitted aged 18-64 – 134,700
Patients admitted aged 65-84 – 159,267
Patients admitted aged 85+ – 80,985

Total Deaths PCR positive within 28 days – 109,602
Deaths recorded in hospitals – 83,917
Remaining 25,000+ deaths occurred in care homes / hospices

Hospital deaths by age with No pre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 9
20-39 yrs - 78
40-59 yrs - 588
60-79 yrs – 1,459
80+ yrs – 1,355

Hospital deaths by age With pre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 29
20-39 yrs - 499
40-59 yrs – 5,318
60-79 yrs – 30,589
80+ yrs – 43,993

Condition - Count of condition - % of all hospital deaths with condition

Asthma - 6,290 - 8%
Chronic Kidney Disease - 13,648 - 17%
Chronic Neurological Disorder - 2,192 - 3%
Chronic Pulmonary Disease - 12,995 - 16%
Dementia – 13,187 - 16%
Diabetes - 21,603 - 26%
Rheumatological Disorder - 2,539 - 3%
Ischaemic Heart Disease - 8,244 - 13%
Other - 60,216 – 73%

Patients that have died may have had more than one pre-existing condition.

Does anyone know where I can find the case breakdown by age data?

you've produced this post yet you've not provided the link to back this up, I thought the forum ruling was if going to post you had to provide your evidence where you got it from,
we've had one crank dismissed feeding misinformation and if I remember right you backed up the crank on the wakey forum that went for 100 or so pages

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:18 am  

How many people went into hospital with other conditions - caught Covid in hospital and died?

I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.

The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:31 am  

snowie wrote: you've produced this post yet you've not provided the link to back this up, I thought the forum ruling was if going to post you had to provide your evidence where you got it from, we've had one crank dismissed feeding misinformation and if I remember right you backed up the crank on the wakey forum that went for 100 or so pages Source material below https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... anuary2021 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/ For the poster referring to "long covid" please provide official NHS, UK Gov or ONS data to back up your claims or this could be deemed as spreading misinformation on the board.

snowie wrote: you've produced this post yet you've not provided the link to back this up, I thought the forum ruling was if going to post you had to provide your evidence where you got it from, we've had one crank dismissed feeding misinformation and if I remember right you backed up the crank on the wakey forum that went for 100 or so pages Source material below https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... anuary2021 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/ For the poster referring to "long covid" please provide official NHS, UK Gov or ONS data to back up your claims or this could be deemed as spreading misinformation on the board.