Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:36 pm  

IR80 wrote:

pathetic, but not unexpected.

I could use any manner of emoticons, but I can actually use words. You might want to try them, you may even come across as eloquent, instead of bereft of salient thought.

I see that you managed to get some help with your post, well done

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:40 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I see that you managed to get some help with your post, well done

I do not need help, in a hustings I would destroy you. But keep up the internet keyboard war, it makes me laugh (if somewhat overshadowed by a bit of pity for you)

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:17 pm  

IR80 wrote:

I do not need help, in a hustings I would destroy you. But keep up the internet keyboard war, it makes me laugh (if somewhat overshadowed by a bit of pity for you)

So far, on any political thread, the best you have managed is some kind of weird take on Corbyn's surname so, well done, again.
It would be great if you actually did manage to contribute something, anything to the topic.

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:31 pm  

At this moment in the election build up, both the Tories and Labour are flooding us with promises of cash injections/freebies/nationalisation of businesses/tax breaks/more housing etc.

Stuff the current government should be doing already instead of offering it as an incentive for your vote.

The opposition are relying on big businesses to pay for their promises.

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:01 pm  

RoyBoy29 wrote:

At this moment in the election build up, both the Tories and Labour are flooding us with promises of cash injections/freebies/nationalisation of businesses/tax breaks/more housing etc.

Stuff the current government should be doing already instead of offering it as an incentive for your vote.

The opposition are relying on big businesses to pay for their promises.

You're right and if there was so much brass in the "golden spending pot", a sensible government, may have taken their foot off the Austerity brakes a little sooner.
People really need to realise that The Tories are the party that have literally squeezed the life out of some of those right at the bottom of the economic pile but, they just want everyone to forget some of their racist (Windrush) unfair (Universal credit) and crime fuelled (too long a list to mention) policies that we've had imposed on us by the self proclaimed "nasty party" and their response now is to promise to spend, spend, spend but, even if they are to be believed (and their credibility is less than zero), do they really deserve another term.
Never mind Brexit, that will create a further economic tightening, let's have a change of ruling party and give us all a break.

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:59 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote: It wasn't his fault that parliament passed the Benn act that cut the rug from under his feet. Then backed by the speaker parliament were simply not going to back the bill without significant changes i.e. a customs union and a single market so not really his doing. The Benn act was specifically passed to stop him pushing through with an illegal act. Sal Paradise wrote: No reason it cannot be completed by 2020 - especially if he has a significant majority He has no Majority now and the #1 tactic the tories seem to be using now to try and change that is blatant lies..... Sal Paradise wrote: Policemen - he has started on that he never said it would be done before Christmas Feel free to correct me, but didn't the tories/Lib Dems form a government in 2010? If so, this makes great reading https://fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/ To be clear, replacing coppers with ones your party removed inside a decade is hardly to be applauded. Sal Paradise wrote: New Hospitals - they are on with it - again he never said it would instant His last promise about the NHS was something about £350,000,000.......given that was a lie, I'd never believe anything he ever had to say on the NHS ever again. Sal Paradise wrote: Proroguing parliament - bad move for me - he knew exactly what he was doing and why - he definitely lied about that Queens speech became redundant when they blocked Brexit - parliament needed dissolving at that point. Yep, but it was his "ruse' to get all his patriotic mail readers to back him by using 'er majesty the queen.....the Queens Speech is redundant BTW.....as redundant his attempting to come across all 'OLIVER CROMWELL' and strong arm parliament Sal Paradise wrote: Just because we are having an election doesn't mean he actually wanted one - big risk, Corbyn is a very experienced campaigner. His only course of action was to repeatedly call for an election so he could push through brexit in the interim.....clumsy is an understatement Sal Paradise wrote: Labour wanted an election but turned down the opportunity many times so are they liars too? Labour wanted an election once a hard/sneaky/backdoor brexit was taken off the table. Boris tried to negotiate otherwise and lost....badly and very publicly. Hey...I's fun fun fun watching how your round-a-bout of politics is viewed by countries around the world......even the Yanks, who have their own idiot to deal with are in awe of the stupidity of what is going on in Blighty BTW.....still awaiting for any of the right wing faithful to explain why the PM won't release the Russian Interference Findings until AFTER the election?

Sal Paradise wrote: It wasn't his fault that parliament passed the Benn act that cut the rug from under his feet. Then backed by the speaker parliament were simply not going to back the bill without significant changes i.e. a customs union and a single market so not really his doing. The Benn act was specifically passed to stop him pushing through with an illegal act. Sal Paradise wrote: No reason it cannot be completed by 2020 - especially if he has a significant majority He has no Majority now and the #1 tactic the tories seem to be using now to try and change that is blatant lies..... Sal Paradise wrote: Policemen - he has started on that he never said it would be done before Christmas Feel free to correct me, but didn't the tories/Lib Dems form a government in 2010? If so, this makes great reading https://fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/ To be clear, replacing coppers with ones your party removed inside a decade is hardly to be applauded. Sal Paradise wrote: New Hospitals - they are on with it - again he never said it would instant His last promise about the NHS was something about £350,000,000.......given that was a lie, I'd never believe anything he ever had to say on the NHS ever again. Sal Paradise wrote: Proroguing parliament - bad move for me - he knew exactly what he was doing and why - he definitely lied about that Queens speech became redundant when they blocked Brexit - parliament needed dissolving at that point. Yep, but it was his "ruse' to get all his patriotic mail readers to back him by using 'er majesty the queen.....the Queens Speech is redundant BTW.....as redundant his attempting to come across all 'OLIVER CROMWELL' and strong arm parliament Sal Paradise wrote: Just because we are having an election doesn't mean he actually wanted one - big risk, Corbyn is a very experienced campaigner. His only course of action was to repeatedly call for an election so he could push through brexit in the interim.....clumsy is an understatement Sal Paradise wrote: Labour wanted an election but turned down the opportunity many times so are they liars too? Labour wanted an election once a hard/sneaky/backdoor brexit was taken off the table. Boris tried to negotiate otherwise and lost....badly and very publicly. Hey...I's fun fun fun watching how your round-a-bout of politics is viewed by countries around the world......even the Yanks, who have their own idiot to deal with are in awe of the stupidity of what is going on in Blighty BTW.....still awaiting for any of the right wing faithful to explain why the PM won't release the Russian Interference Findings until AFTER the election?

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:04 pm  

More Labour LIES.
(or Abbott has done the maths)

Paul Johnson, the director of the (independent) Institute for Fiscal Studies, says Labour’s claim 95% of taxpayers would not need to pay more under its spending plans is simply not credible. Some strong words in his statement.

It is impossible to understate just how extraordinary this manifesto is just in terms of the sheer scale of money being spent and raised through the tax system: hundreds of billions of additional spending on investment, £80bn plus per year on spending on day to day things, social security, spending on the NHS, student loans and so on, and matched by supposedly an £80bn increase in tax.

These are vast numbers, enormous, colossal, in the context of anything we’ve seen in the last - ever, really.

The Labour manifesto suggests they want to raise £80bn of tax revenue, and they suggest that all of that will come from companies and people earning over £80,000 a year. That is simply not credible. We cannot raise that kind of money in our tax system without affecting individuals.

Obviously corporate tax affects individuals anyway. Someone has to pay that tax. But if you’re looking about transforming society, which the Labour party is absolutely up front about doing, then you need to pay for it. And it can’t be someone else who pays for it. We collectively will need to pay for it.

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:21 pm  

Cronus wrote:

More Labour LIES.
(or Abbott has done the maths)

Paul Johnson, the director of the (independent) Institute for Fiscal Studies, says Labour’s claim 95% of taxpayers would not need to pay more under its spending plans is simply not credible. Some strong words in his statement.

Haven't seen the full statement but, I dont accept Labour's maths on this anyway.
There isn't a UK tax paying company that wont look for ways to mitigate ANY increased tax burden, which will inevitably lead to a shortfall in receipts.
At this stage it's irrelevant as we wont be seeing a Labour government for some little while.

I'll try and find time to read the full report though and we await with interest what the Tories have to offer.

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:33 pm  

Cronus wrote:

More Labour LIES.
(or Abbott has done the maths)

Paul Johnson, the director of the (independent) Institute for Fiscal Studies, says Labour’s claim 95% of taxpayers would not need to pay more under its spending plans is simply not credible. Some strong words in his statement.

Interesting that he is one of many "independent" economists who say neither of the main parties plans for Tax are sustainable. A great number of these independent economists to however agree that Brexit is a fiscal disaster waiting to happen.

IR80 wrote:

I do not need help, in a hustings I would destroy you

Oooh...look at the Keyboard Warrior

IR80. What are your thoughts on the reasoning behind the PM for not releasing the findings of the independent investigation into Russian interference in Brexit as well as ties to the Leave leaders, many of whom are now in senior political roles in the Tory Party. Remember now, you're the one who claimed you'd be able to destroy people on the hustings, so let's debate this one topic and see if you can earn your spurs.

Re: More Tory Lies : Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:04 am  

To prove a point yesterday we were informed that poverty was not the fault of the government, that the initial increase in NI stated by Johnson would save the majority of workers £500 which was disputed by the conservatives and when pointed out to the PM he still insisted that the £500 was correct. We have another doctored clip and a fake site set up by the conservatives indicating it was a Labour site relating to their manifesto. They even paid Google to make sure it was the site that came up for anyone searching Labour or manifesto.
I also note that the great debater Johnson has pulled out of a second televised debated against Corbyn on 4. I guess he fears more bouts of laughter from the audience.