Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:32 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

And capitalism works best for those who are adept at screwing over the rest.
We may as well have anarchy !

How is capitalism "screwing over" anyone, the beloved, bloated and inefficient Public Sector feeds off the taxes of Capitalism.

Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:28 pm  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

How is capitalism "screwing over" anyone, the beloved, bloated and inefficient Public Sector feeds off the taxes of Capitalism.

So a capitalist system, without constraints or, without any social responsibility is the way forward, really ?
Do you think we could manage without any state intervention, really ?

Which hospital will yourself or family go to without state training of medical staff and where would your kids get educated.

As for how Capitalism screws people over, just open your eyes to the people cast aside by capitalist greed.

Of course we need people who are innovative and can run the economy and generate some wealth but, how can it be right for so few people to have such wealth.

Without any kind of social consciousness we are just animals, mind you, even they look after their own

Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:50 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote: There was misinformation on both sides - Osborne said there would be a need for immediate tax increases if we voted to leave - that was clearly a lie. To me the biggest issues were: 1. Immigration 2. The ability to make our own laws 3. The cost of membership 4. The EU as an organisation - its corruption and wastefulness. When was the last time its accounts were signed off? Leaving must give the treasury a financial gain as we will no longer have the negative £9bn a year it costs to be a member - if we assume the government pays out the £5bn in subsidies that are currently coming from the EU. So with that more monies could go into the NHS and education and social care etc. I think you'll find that the UK's parliament still has the ability to make our own laws. And the Accounts signed off b0llocks is spin. https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/ The US and UK both have worse problems in terms of the errors in payments. Should we get out of the UK as well?

Sal Paradise wrote: There was misinformation on both sides - Osborne said there would be a need for immediate tax increases if we voted to leave - that was clearly a lie. To me the biggest issues were: 1. Immigration 2. The ability to make our own laws 3. The cost of membership 4. The EU as an organisation - its corruption and wastefulness. When was the last time its accounts were signed off? Leaving must give the treasury a financial gain as we will no longer have the negative £9bn a year it costs to be a member - if we assume the government pays out the £5bn in subsidies that are currently coming from the EU. So with that more monies could go into the NHS and education and social care etc. I think you'll find that the UK's parliament still has the ability to make our own laws. And the Accounts signed off b0llocks is spin. https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/ The US and UK both have worse problems in terms of the errors in payments. Should we get out of the UK as well?

Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:09 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So a capitalist system, without constraints or, without any social responsibility is the way forward, really ?
Do you think we could manage without any state intervention, really ?

Which hospital will yourself or family go to without state training of medical staff and where would your kids get educated.

As for how Capitalism screws people over, just open your eyes to the people cast aside by capitalist greed.

Of course we need people who are innovative and can run the economy and generate some wealth but, how can it be right for so few people to have such wealth.

Without any kind of social consciousness we are just animals, mind you, even they look after their own

The state can only intervene if the wealth generators provide sufficient monies to fund it

Without those innovators the economy cannot generate any wealth - them have a lot is a bi-product of all of us having work

How do the nurses get trained and hospitals run in the US? - and private education is an option to get you kids to be able to read, write and add up

Most would agree we need a mixed economy but to denigrate the very fabric that provides the funding is plain silly.

Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:26 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The state can only intervene if the wealth generators provide sufficient monies to fund it

Without those innovators the economy cannot generate any wealth - them have a lot is a bi-product of all of us having work

How do the nurses get trained and hospitals run in the US? - and private education is an option to get you kids to be able to read, write and add up

Most would agree we need a mixed economy but to denigrate the very fabric that provides the funding is plain silly.

I think that the point is, that there has to be a balance.
It's all about where to set the line, between providing decent public services and allowing people to prosper.
Pure Capitalism is based on greed, which is not conducive to a "fair" society.
I know that there are plenty of people who quite like it to be "unfair" but, these are often the same people that complain when they cant get their kids into their first choice school or, have to wait for a doctors appointment.
Since Farage hit the limelight, everything has been blamed on EU immigrants, which has provided the Tories with the ideal backdrop to impose it's austerity regime and their ideology would like to continue to squeeze the public sector just as far as it can.
At some point, we have to say enough is enough and personally, I think we are at that point.
We cannot continue to blame immigration and we have to find a mechanism to properly fund all of our public services.

Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:34 am  

What would LABOUR do differently, where is Cordoroy? Is he making promises the exchequer can't keep, or is he giving an important talk to 616 Guatemalan refuges so he can massage his personal. "You've got to pick a pocket or two", he even looks like Fagin.

Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:49 am  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

What would LABOUR do differently, where is Cordoroy? Is he making promises the exchequer can't keep, or is he giving an important talk to 616 Guatemalan refuges so he can massage his personal. "You've got to pick a pocket or two", he even looks like Fagin.

It's fairly obvious what Labour would do differently, end austerity.

What is really galling with the current situation is the endless "bragging" about our strong and stable economy and record numbers in employment and yet, we are slashing and burning the public sector.
Something clearly doesn't add up.

The reality is that we are creating very low paid jobs, which are not contributing to the exchequer and allowing too many people to avoid their share of taxation.

Our "strong" economy is an absolute myth and like turkeys voting for Christmas, we are stepping into the unknown of life outside the EU.

Apparently, trading with Australia and the US is going to save us ?

Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:07 pm  

This thread is hilarious. Better than the Facebook wannabe politicians. When in reality you know nothing lol

Regards

King James

Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:27 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

It's fairly obvious what Labour would do differently, end austerity.

What is really galling with the current situation is the endless "bragging" about our strong and stable economy and record numbers in employment and yet, we are slashing and burning the public sector.
Something clearly doesn't add up.

The reality is that we are creating very low paid jobs, which are not contributing to the exchequer and allowing too many people to avoid their share of taxation.

Our "strong" economy is an absolute myth and like turkeys voting for Christmas, we are stepping into the unknown of life outside the EU.

Apparently, trading with Australia and the US is going to save us ?

Myth according to whom? Typical remoaner, peddling lies. As I have said, I wanted to remain, but we aren't so I'll get on with it!

Re: T. May the worst prime minister ever ? : Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:52 pm  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

Myth according to whom?

Do you really believe the U.K. economy is in rude health?

PCollinson1990 wrote:

Typical remoaner, peddling lies.

I would argue that there were more lies peddled by the racists, sorry brexiteers, at the time of the referendum, I was under the impression that Turkey was joining the E.U. as early as last year.

PCollinson1990 wrote:

As I have said, I wanted to remain, but we aren't so I'll get on with it!

Get on with what?

Get on with life, sure, I presume we all are, but it doesn't mean those who wanted to stay in the E.U. should now just shut the hell up.