Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:34 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Thanks for that and the veiled insults, always appreciated.

My opinion is just that, usually allowed on an open forum ??

Oh stop whining. You've been at it for months, especially on this thread. Nothing veiled about it, I think you're a whinging snowflake.

However, my personal experience has, for over 25 years, involved importing goods from the EU and the far East.
Indeed, the company that I worked for, employed over 250 people and was part of a larger group, employing around 1500.
So, perhaps, I have more knowledge than some other posters on tisi forum with regards to importing and exporting to and from the UK.

And?

The sensationalist media as you call them, that we should no longer listen to, are the very same media who supported the leave campaign but,
we'll ignore your double standards, shall we ?

Double standards? You have no idea which media I pay attention to.

A phrase you hear from time to time in relation to the 2007 crash and Brexit is 'self-fulfilling prophecy'. As in, the more the media and politicians talk disaster, the more likely it is to happen, bearing in mind the markets (including fx) rely in part on confidence. So yes, I believe we should pay less attention to plenty of the media.

There are many businesses that are concerned about the effects of Brexit but, of course, life has to go on and they, primarily for the benefit of their shareholders, have to talk the situation up, so as not to damage their perceived position.

Ok, so perhaps my wording was a little blasé, of course Brexit is a topic within the business community. But it's not seen as a looming disaster. If you're telling me everyone's just putting a brave face on it for the sake of shareholders, you're talking out yer arris.

Nobody, in the outside world is going to publically say that "we're screwed" but, some businesses certainly will be and the effects of the approx 15% currency deflation are still working their way through the system, which hurts everyone in the country and the prospect of additional tariffs with hurt even more. However, the sun will still rise in the morning and the world will continue to turn.

"Currency rates can go up as well as down". Let's wait for the long-term effects. As I said, the markets react to 'confidence', which can be hugely damaged by the media and their tales of looming terror. The grim predictions following Brexit didn't materialise, as they haven't following Article 50.

However, next time you are with the high rollers and mover-shakers of the UK, perhaps you should ask them just how much better off their employees will be, once we have secured our "deal" with the EU.

Why would they be any better off? What a bizarre statement.

As I said, there aren't that many businesses I come across with huge concerns. The point you're missing is that businesses can - and have done since 2007 - adapt, change, find new markets, new suppliers, new opportunities. The weak and poorly led might wither and die but the strong will flourish. Brexit is no different.

PS, sorry that my opinion differs from yours but, I'm chuffed that we dont all share the same ideology as Farage and Le Penn

Snowflake.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:49 pm  

Thats the last we will see of the Cat- owned

Why is it remainers seem to be able to predict the outcome but the majority of voters don't!

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:06 pm  

TBH i'm sick of the whole thing now.. The only thing we can be certain of at the moment in this whole debacle is that companies have started to edge their bets by setting up offices in the EU.

Will brexit be a success?

No one knows but as someone who voted remain, as long as me and my family are fine then i couldn't give a rats ass about anyone else. However I do reserve the right to sit their with a smug face and say 'I told you so' while watching the brexiteers moan about the state of the country when or if it all fails.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:39 am  

Cronus wrote:

Oh stop whining. You've been at it for months, especially on this thread. Nothing veiled about it, I think you're a whinging snowflake.

And?

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Snowflake.

Cronus in my contacts are better than yours and I know better mode.

Oops forgot the insults which I use to sound clever mode

Followed by wire Quinn still brown nosing.

No one knows what will happen with Brexit but short term all the uncertainty it is not looking good.

When lots of companies are sitting arms up outside of the UK it is not a good sign.

The issue is how much if the Tory free market ideas will be implemented and what effect will they have.

Low wage economy benefit caps to force the unemployed in the inner cities to seek jobs picking fruit ! Cuts in services which are having a terrible effect on delivery of services such as in health operations cancelled schools underfunded 70 % of LAs failing inspections.

Who knows where it will all end and the damage to social cohesion we face .

And much of this is partly driven by ideology but most importantly because the Government cannot. Make any decent short or medium term funding decisions because they have to save money to cope with possible Brexit effects that they do not know will happen.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:56 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

Cronus in my contacts are better than yours and I know better mode.

Oops forgot the insults which I use to sound clever mode

Followed by wire Quinn still brown nosing.

No one knows what will happen with Brexit but short term all the uncertainty it is not looking good.

When lots of companies are sitting arms up outside of the UK it is not a good sign.

The issue is how much if the Tory free market ideas will be implemented and what effect will they have.

Low wage economy benefit caps to force the unemployed in the inner cities to seek jobs picking fruit ! Cuts in services which are having a terrible effect on delivery of services such as in health operations cancelled schools underfunded 70 % of LAs failing inspections.

Who knows where it will all end and the damage to social cohesion we face .

And much of this is partly driven by ideology but most importantly because the Government cannot. Make any decent short or medium term funding decisions because they have to save money to cope with possible Brexit effects that they do not know will happen.

Why shouldn't the unemployed be picking fruit, is it beneath them? That's the problem (or part), too many just sitting at home because benefits are easier than work. As for "social cohesion" that's just some words created by liberals, the world is a contest, not a village fair

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:40 am  

Cronus wrote:

Oh stop whining. You've been at it for months, especially on this thread. Nothing veiled about it, I think you're a whinging snowflake.

And?

Double standards? You have no idea which media I pay attention to.

A phrase you hear from time to time in relation to the 2007 crash and Brexit is 'self-fulfilling prophecy'. As in, the more the media and politicians talk disaster, the more likely it is to happen, bearing in mind the markets (including fx) rely in part on confidence. So yes, I believe we should pay less attention to plenty of the media.

Ok, so perhaps my wording was a little blasé, of course Brexit is a topic within the business community. But it's not seen as a looming disaster. If you're telling me everyone's just putting a brave face on it for the sake of shareholders, you're talking out yer arris.

"Currency rates can go up as well as down". Let's wait for the long-term effects. As I said, the markets react to 'confidence', which can be hugely damaged by the media and their tales of looming terror. The grim predictions following Brexit didn't materialise, as they haven't following Article 50.

Why would they be any better off? What a bizarre statement.

As I said, there aren't that many businesses I come across with huge concerns. The point you're missing is that businesses can - and have done since 2007 - adapt, change, find new markets, new suppliers, new opportunities. The weak and poorly led might wither and die but the strong will flourish. Brexit is no different.

Snowflake.

Wow.

PLease accept my full and sincere apologies for daring to have a different opinion to your own, i am not worthy, I am not worthy

I absolutely love your dismissive nature, it's brilliant, especially to my comment about the employees of your "wealthy" friends being worse off and how that isn't a problem.
According to the leave campaign we were going to all be better off post Brexit and there was going to be an extra £350 million a week for the NHS and you sound like you bought into the dream and I'm the snowflake

You rightly say that currency levels fluctuate and of course they do, we used to get $4 to the £ and not the current $1.25 ??, so the UK must be doing really well then ?

You still cant give any indication of the up side to Brexit which puts you in the "fingers crossed" brigade.

As for the weak withering and dying, what a great philosophy you have.
Maybe you are advocating a return to the jungle instead trying to propagate a civilised society.

Listening to different opinions will allow you to learn something.
Remember, a blind optimist (or Brexitier) is still blind

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:45 am  

What's become clear on here over the last couple of days is that the remainers don't have the answers now they've been put on the spot. They've criticised repeatedly the decision of the country and jumped on the back of scaremongering, but have offered nothing of note that will demonstrably impact negatively on the UK. They are just the noisy minority, typically left wing poor losers throwing out cheesy modern terms such as 'social cohesion' & 'ideology'. What the hell are they?

OK, so some companies will set up satellite offices in the EU but business is evolutionary and very fluid. The days of a mine in the local village or a ship being built in the local docks are long gone. Its a big every moving fluid world we live in.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:49 am  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

Why shouldn't the unemployed be picking fruit, is it beneath them? That's the problem (or part), too many just sitting at home because benefits are easier than work. As for "social cohesion" that's just some words created by liberals, the world is a contest, not a village fair

Maybe because most of those hit by the recent reductions in housing benefit are single mothers who would find it hard to get to Norfolk from Birmingham or London

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:49 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Wow.

PLease accept my full and sincere apologies for daring to have a different opinion to your own, i am not worthy, I am not worthy

I absolutely love your dismissive nature, it's brilliant, especially to my comment about the employees of your "wealthy" friends being worse off and how that isn't a problem.
According to the leave campaign we were going to all be better off post Brexit and there was going to be an extra £350 million a week for the NHS and you sound like you bought into the dream and I'm the snowflake

You rightly say that currency levels fluctuate and of course they do, we used to get $4 to the £ and not the current $1.25 ??, so the UK must be doing really well then ?

You still cant give any indication of the up side to Brexit which puts you in the "fingers crossed" brigade.

As for the weak withering and dying, what a great philosophy you have.
Maybe you are advocating a return to the jungle instead trying to propagate a civilised society.

Listening to different opinions will allow you to learn something.
Remember, a blind optimist (or Brexitier) is still blind

Why is someone supporting brexit a "blind optimist"? The vote is done, we've activated article 50, it's happening, albeit slowly. It's a reality we all have to face now, regardless of wether we agree with it or not. Maybe time to stop chucking insults around.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:17 am  

Had the referendum result been the other way around I'm sure the leave side would have sucked it up and not uttered a word of criticism, despite going on about it for 40 years previously.

Naive to think that people will just face up to it. It's polarised a lot of the population. People will be arguing about it for decades to come.