Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:16 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

You do remember saying this wasn't going to be anything near as bad as the 2007 banking crisis dont you, after all, it was about 3 weeks ago.

Was it a Bat or a Pangolin - it's increddible what really poor people have to eat isn't it.
Others have to drink dirty, contaminated water.

We are still feeling the impact of the banking crisis - your kids tried to get a mortgage recently!! That 12 years ago and we are still feeling that impact - this wont be as long but it will change things fundamentally - my view is a complete reset of the economy by 20% and off we go from a new lower bar.

My understanding is bats and the likes are considered delicacies by the better off Chinese?

Just think how much money we have raised to give people clean water and still they don't have any!!

Come on you can do better than this - being the intellectual super human you think you are

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:34 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Global issues like this takes years to overcome.

I suppose it depends which section of society you found yourself in. There'd never been so much money sloshing around in some quarters only a couple of years later. The rest of us had to 'tighten our belts' for a decade.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:42 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

I suppose it depends which section of society you found yourself in. There'd never been so much money sloshing around in some quarters only a couple of years later. The rest of us had to 'tighten our belts' for a decade.

Because investment returns are so low - investors are looking to find places to maximise returns - I doubt very much the monies extended to PE firms in the past will be available in the future - given that virtually every investment they have will be in special measures right now.

Salaries in the private sector have seen very slow growth despite what all the lefties on here will say - there may be big money in the city and MD of listed companies making huge salaries - these are the exception and their life span in the top job is often short.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:48 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Salaries in the private sector have seen very slow growth despite what all the lefties on here will say

I know, I didn't get one for 5 years, so I left the company. The people still working there are on the same wages they were on in 2008.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:59 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

I know, I didn't get one for 5 years, so I left the company. The people still working there are on the same wages they were on in 2008.

I agree this was changing in the last couple of years as the natural supply/demand proposition started to kick in and wages were rising - it hasn't been easy.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:27 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Because investment returns are so low - investors are looking to find places to maximise returns - I doubt very much the monies extended to PE firms in the past will be available in the future - given that virtually every investment they have will be in special measures right now.

Salaries in the private sector have seen very slow growth despite what all the lefties on here will say - there may be big money in the city and MD of listed companies making huge salaries - these are the exception and their life span in the top job is often short.

Ford are offering 10% on new bonds. Plenty of opportunities in a crisis, ask Farage and Rees Smug.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:03 pm  

Having worked in the public sector, at the fore front of social care delivery, you know, personal care, getting qualifications, believing in what I do, catching illness off the people I'm looking after, going into management, back into the fore front, turning up at people's houses when everything's gone wrong, having the people I work for (not my employer in the public sector, the people who I try and sort out their lives for) for over twenty five years, it's inspiring to hear that we've been making up the lack of PPE, we're lazy, we strike at any given opportunity, it's our own fault.
Thanks.
You known what?
We'll still turn up tomorrow.
Because despite what people think this isn't about money (how many of you company owners would do this for any money.) Thatcher and politics for us, we do this because it's what we believe.
We, stupidly, believe in a fairer society.
Sorry about that.
We accept the pretty rubbish pay and I'm very grateful not to be furloughed, but we're still out there every day, we don't want clapping on the door step, but is there any chance people could stop telling us how cack we are?

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:41 am  

I don't think anyone is saying that - the social care sector needs a re-think - with so many older people the current system simply isn't fit for purpose

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:34 am  

We are "sorry if you feel that way".....
Does anybody know when the "strict" lockdown is going to start? the press have been going on about it for weeks now and there is still no sign of it.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:42 pm  

F**k the Tories and f**k whoever voted for them. The NHS are set to run out of fresh full gowns and are preparing to ask doctors and nurses to reuse single use gowns.