Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 11:50 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

FFS, there is nothing wrong with an invited audience as long as we know that is what they are.
However, if the invited audience is pretending to be part of the work force, that is just wrong (unless the public are informed that its just "play acting".

Can you not see the difference

Your credibility is falling faster than Corbyns popularity.

I am more realistic than you I suppose as I said these people are the lowest of the low and nothing they do surprises or upsets me. For me Corbyn will have had a hand picked audience - have Labour come out and said that - no but that is OK with you? The level of deception is on a par - both are equally guilty IMO.

If the Tories want to engage in the way they are good luck to them - personally I don't like it. We have two Labour MP's screw up Diane Abbot today and Dawn Butler when you see this stuff you can understand why the Tories try and keep it tight.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 12:19 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

when you see this stuff you can understand why the Tories try and keep it tight.

But nothing on the scale of the election fraud that see's 30 MP's facing charges - one of whom is Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary; and now May is being investigated in relation to her hedge fund hubby profiting from Brexit related activities.

I agree that politics is broadly a stinking mess in this country, and that Corbyn has a presentational problem, but he does at least appear to be an honest broker; if there was dirt of this nature on him, they'd have found it by now.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 12:27 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I am more realistic than you I suppose as I said these people are the lowest of the low and nothing they do surprises or upsets me. For me Corbyn will have had a hand picked audience - have Labour come out and said that - no but that is OK with you? The level of deception is on a par - both are equally guilty IMO.

If the Tories want to engage in the way they are good luck to them - personally I don't like it. We have two Labour MP's screw up Diane Abbot today and Dawn Butler when you see this stuff you can understand why the Tories try and keep it tight.

Amazing how Abbott makes a mistake and says 300k instead of 300m and its headline story at nearly every news agency. Tories are under investigation for widespread election fraud (hence the early call for election - after May categorically said she wouldn't before election fraud came to light) and it's swept under the carpet!

Not to mention the HSBC loans finding their way into Tory party coffers.... but no, the story is all about Abbotts poor interview preparation.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 2:16 pm  

bren2k wrote:

But nothing on the scale of the election fraud that see's 30 MP's facing charges - one of whom is Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary; and now May is being investigated in relation to her hedge fund hubby profiting from Brexit related activities.

I agree that politics is broadly a stinking mess in this country, and that Corbyn has a presentational problem, but he does at least appear to be an honest broker; if there was dirt of this nature on him, they'd have found it by now.

I agree about Corbyn but he is an idealist and he is beholden to the likes of McClusky so he will cause chaos and years of debt if he ever got into power. You look at their policies - spend, spend, spend if he thinks he can simply put CT up and increase the take he is bonkers.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 2:22 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Amazing how Abbott makes a mistake and says 300k instead of 300m and its headline story at nearly every news agency. Tories are under investigation for widespread election fraud (hence the early call for election - after May categorically said she wouldn't before election fraud came to light) and it's swept under the carpet!

Not to mention the HSBC loans finding their way into Tory party coffers.... but no, the story is all about Abbotts poor interview preparation.

The problem is it isn't £300m its closer to £500m when you take into consideration uniforms and training and this is where Labour are so off the pace - nothing is properly calculated why 10k way not 8 or 12 - its schoolyard stuff.

The election fraud is so small scale as not to be even worth bothering about its just a way of those on the left grasping at straws is it any different from what Labour were fined for?

The whole lot of them are not worthy of their status and as the expenses scandal showed they are vermin eating out of the trough.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 3:17 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The election fraud is so small scale as not to be even worth bothering about

Yeah - it only undermined the democratic process and bought an election; what's the big deal?

And just delve into the HSBC issue a little bit under your own steam; it's a classic example of the 1% looking out for each other - and further evidence, if more were needed, that the working classes in this country are treated with scorn and contempt by those who consider themselves entitled to lead.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 3:33 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Yeah - it only undermined the democratic process and bought an election; what's the big deal?

And just delve into the HSBC issue a little bit under your own steam; it's a classic example of the 1% looking out for each other - and further evidence, if more were needed, that the working classes in this country are treated with scorn and contempt by those who consider themselves entitled to lead.

Very well put Bren

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 4:02 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Yeah - it only undermined the democratic process and bought an election; what's the big deal?

And just delve into the HSBC issue a little bit under your own steam; it's a classic example of the 1% looking out for each other - and further evidence, if more were needed, that the working classes in this country are treated with scorn and contempt by those who consider themselves entitled to lead.

No it didn't - that rubbish you think spending a few thousand extra was the difference between Amber Rudd winning/losing her seat - seriously?

Its like the Democrats saying the Russians influenced the vote and allowed Trump to win!!

In Bradford we had a scandal about postal votes and who is actually doing the voting - but Labour won all the wards so that is OK to rig the election in that way!!

I have no truck with any rule bending but it happens across all spectrum of society, the black economy in the country is huge and who would you say are the major benefactors to that - it certainly isn't the 1%, drug money in this country dwarfs anything that HSBC did. I think you would do well to consider the whole of society not just those who you think have privilege beyond where you think they should have.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 4:31 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No it didn't - that rubbish you think spending a few thousand extra was the difference between Amber Rudd winning/losing her seat - seriously?

Its like the Democrats saying the Russians influenced the vote and allowed Trump to win!!

In Bradford we had a scandal about postal votes and who is actually doing the voting - but Labour won all the wards so that is OK to rig the election in that way!!

I have no truck with any rule bending but it happens across all spectrum of society, the black economy in the country is huge and who would you say are the major benefactors to that - it certainly isn't the 1%, drug money in this country dwarfs anything that HSBC did. I think you would do well to consider the whole of society not just those who you think have privilege beyond where you think they should have.

Ah yes, you are going for the 2 wrongs make a right theory.

Are you saying that it's ok for the country's elite to help line each other's pockets because there are criminals making money out of drugs ???

If we dont protect those people at the bottom of the pile, they will be more likely to look for other ways to make a living, many of which may not be legal.
Just look across "the pond" and see what happens without a decent welfare system.
The city of Chicago has 10+ murders every week, mainly drug related and it barely gets a mention.
All that we see is the glitz and glamour of Hollywood and New York.

You seem to be advocating anarchy for the super rich, whilst, at the same time, beig happy to squeeze the life out of the poor folk at the bottom. Why ?

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 02, 2017 4:59 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I agree about Corbyn but he is an idealist and he is beholden to the likes of McClusky so he will cause chaos and years of debt if he ever got into power. You look at their policies - spend, spend, spend if he thinks he can simply put CT up and increase the take he is bonkers.

The national debt is currently horrific and increasing by over £5,000 per second. I doubt whether Corbyn would make things worse. Conservative governments have consistently borrowed more and at a faster rate than Labour ones.